Thanks, I'll try Cinnamon some day and grab the pdfs, too. I did try XFCE, IceWM, and liked Gnome Classic, and saw it installed Gnome Xorg desktop (but I didn't try it). This was all on a Intel D915GUX mobo / pentium4 hyper-threading CPU / 3GB memory / Intel GMA900 desktop graphics, so it was a rock bottom 10 year old hardware platform and still no hint of a crash. But it did bog down. Another fun find was Gnome Commander, banned for a decade and replaced by Nautilus. So this system is full of options, top to bottom, not just the "live installs." I would think such a locked repository could be useful for a school, with competent instructors (sys-admins) and decent hardware. A lifetime worth of learning and participation. Andrew Dahl wrote: > SysAdmin Guide PDF is here: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/26/pdf/System_Administrators_Guide/Fedora-26-System_Administrators_Guide-en-US.pdf > > I don't imagine you'd need it, but, just in case, the Installation Guide > PDF is here: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/26/pdf/Installation_Guide/Fedora-26-Installation_Guide-en-US.pdf > > Also, not to complicate matters even more, but if you like Gnome but hate > Gnome 3, Cinnamon is worth checking out. I believe it's as simple as sudo > dnf install @cinnamon-desktop > > > > On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 12:23 PM Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> wrote: > >> I'm not going to say I know what I did, but it seems to be working now >> under KDE. And I'm rather excited for 2 reasons; there is a nice GUI >> installer "dnfdragora" and they include my old favorite text editor >> "nedit." >> >> As best I recall, the repo installer already included an >> /etc/yum.repos.d/ file with proper path. I logged in as root, used >> "krusader" file manager, and used the "edit" and "view" internal editor >> because nothing else would open (like kwrite and dolphin). Instead of >> asking the dnf command to edit the ini files, I just set the enable >> variable to 0 and saved them. Only the local disk repo files were >> enabled. Then I ran "dnf makecache," which was the trick (I think). The >> KDE "Discover" software utility was poor, but the "dnfdragora" software >> program was able to build a "group database" and seems every bit as nice >> as the opensuse Yast software installer. >> >> Anyway, 8 DVDs and 57GB of repository is a nice library. Just absolutely >> remember, UNPLUG your network wires sometimes!! >> >> I really needed the System_Administrators_Guide link. Big thanks. >> >> >> >> Rick Engebretson wrote: >>> Sincere thanks. I'll check your links for sure. >>> >>> I tried doing what you advised, but did it poorly. Right now I have 2 >>> drives, one with KDE + repos, one with Gnome. From the Gnome drive >>> accessing the repository at /dev/sdb2 /opt/repo didn't work. Opening >>> the second drive from a file manager gave me a "media" mounted address >>> by ID (I think?), so I'm guessing I'll have to edit /etc/fstab to >>> automount the drive at boot (or something??). Trial and error. I have >>> some RedHat Fedora books, the best I found was using a different http >>> address, not a separate hard drive address. Definitely interested in >>> your links, thanks. >>> >>> I tried different GUI tools in KDE and Gnome. Again your links will help. >>> >>> Reinstalling the Gnome was worth doing. It actually is smooth and >>> simple with practice. Gnome is pretty primitive, however, and wastes >>> time and high resolution video with disappearing menus, giant icons, >>> and a nearly invisible giant pointer. It does look like an iPad GUI. >>> >>> I unplug the wired network cable during install. They actually assume >>> the user accepts tracking by WiFi, so that gets turned off, even >>> though I have no WiFi. Very different kind of "workstation" computers >>> these days. Network history "forever," too. At least I asked it for >>> privacy, who knows if it really complied. >>> >>> Andrew Dahl wrote: >>>> Regarding Fedora repos, Fedora (and eventually RHEL) moved to dnf. It's >>>> just the next generation of yum, basically. >>>> >>>> Adding repos is as easy as: dnf config-manager --add-repo >>>> >> https://atlassian.artifactoryonline.com/atlassian/hipchat-yum-client/hipchat4.repo >>>> >>>> >>>> Repos still get added to /etc/yum.repos.d/ (because that makes sense >>>> -- I >>>> expect that'll change eventually) >>>> >>>> A good resource is the Fedora Sys Admin Guide, which should be on the CD >>>> somewhere. Online, you can find the chapter on dnf here: >>>> >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/23/html/System_Administrators_Guide/ch-DNF.html >>>> >>>> Otherwise if you're looking for a GUI for dnf that's a bit more user >>>> friendly, I think PackageKit is what's being used right now. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson < >>>> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can't speak for Fedora specifically, but on RHEL you add repos to txt >>>>> configs under /etc/yum.repos.d The files are ini style [setting] ... >>>>> key=value >>>>> >>>>> Yes, unfortunately it can be that clumsy, I've used CentOS and Fedora >>>>> in the past, they drive me nuts with package management (as well as >>>>> the bloat). >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jeremy MountainJohnson >>>>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I got a very nice 10 disk set of Fedora 26 from OSDisc.com >>>>>> recently. It >>>>>> consisted of 1 Gnome and 1 KDE Live install each, and 8 repository >>>>> disks. I >>>>>> had gotten similar sets of opensuse 12.2 and 11.3 years ago, so I had >>>>> some >>>>>> experience with the tricky repository install. Opensuse online >>>>> repositories >>>>>> can be tricky, too, so a permanent stable repository on disk is nice. >>>>>> >>>>>> My question is, can Fedora really be so clumsy?? Is Gnome really so >>>>>> non-intuitive, and are they too smart to need a fine tuned cursor >>>>>> arrow?? >>>>>> KDE is reasonably familiar with opensuse but I can't figure out how to >>>>>> install packages from the Fedora repository. I have an ancient RedHat9 >>>>> set I >>>>>> could figure out, but not Fedora. The opensuse Yast interface is >>>>>> great to >>>>>> help a user get past configuration and into development >>>>>> familiarity, but >>>>> I >>>>>> would like to think I can be competent in alternative distros. >>>>>> >>>>>> The best I can figure is the KDE tool "Discover" is supposed to >>>>> construct a >>>>>> repository RPM database, but I don't see where it can be >>>>>> reconfigured to >>>>>> local disk storage. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list