I like this TED Talk about augmented reality, notably he mentions Microsoft
Windows interface and laughs. They show neuroscience as the motivating
factor behind the interface; which is interesting to me as my i have had a
head injury that had left me blind for a day. took part of my memory too.
so for me to sit and learn as much as possible is truly a privilege and an
opportunity that i don't take lightly not to mention my ability to retain
is greatly improved the more i study.

https://www.ted.com/talks/meron_gribetz_a_glimpse_of_the_future_through_an_augmented_reality_headset?language=en

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I let my kids play mindcraft but that is it. i do have grand theft auto on
> an old windows partition that NEVER gets used, but someday we may loosen up
> on them. i personally would like to play sometimes myself, but it seems
> like it is hard to communicate with someone when they are playing a game,
> as opposed to surfing, watching tv, or reading a book; as when you are
> playing a game it is hard to even look up for a minute to acknowledge the
> person who is speaking. i would like to think that my kids and myself will
> someday be able to handle video games, just not yet.
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com>
> wrote:
>
>> One of my friends is an investor in oculus rift. You can buy the dev kit
>> for like $300 if i remember right..
>>
>> On 8/23/16 4:52 PM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>>
>> oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid 2000's about augmented
>> reality and how they were working on overlays for the various things you
>> would want to know about something like a building.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in site.
>>> that is uplifting.  and true, ayyyyyyy
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>    i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu for
>>>> college. when I had a medical break in my career, she took over and i never
>>>> looked back.
>>>>    we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have heard said
>>>> in some random TED Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about microbes:
>>>> https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_t
>>>> echnology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en but have yet to
>>>> indulge myself.
>>>>    i would like to do something positive for people, to make a
>>>> difference with my time, not only for me but for others. I used to be a
>>>> part of Rotary International for years. I like to give. I feel as though
>>>> with the time on my hands i can do something for me while showing my kids
>>>> what can be accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have
>>>> raised my 4 children to be aware that they can do things that make life
>>>> fair for all people.
>>>>    and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal is to get
>>>> land and a wind generator made from scratch, then have it make me money
>>>> with our average 12 mph wind speed. then build more. but that is for me to
>>>> make money, not to feel good about myself.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Besides being a good mother, you value learning, community, and even
>>>>> Linux. Wow, that's a plate full!
>>>>>
>>>>> Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may I suggest
>>>>> other opportunity in your young family's future. Having mentioned the new
>>>>> atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants faster, we also can improve soil
>>>>> quality with new carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black
>>>>> dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen related to CO2
>>>>> emissions. It is called carbon sequestration. In our experience, we get
>>>>> phenomenal improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a little
>>>>> child loves better than eating a homegrown strawberry. I hope you can enjoy
>>>>> such creative gifts with your family.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts, lifestyle, and
>>>>> a hopeful future sure beats competing for top barking dog status. As SuSE
>>>>> Linux says after installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the
>>>>>> ideas in these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has
>>>>>> mentioned the wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive
>>>>>> brain is just loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider!
>>>>>> we, 4 kids under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small
>>>>>> arsenal of parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of:
>>>>>> consider what this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but
>>>>>> what makes it do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that?
>>>>>> could it do something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure
>>>>>> and have it do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools
>>>>>> and scrap wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other
>>>>>> materials). that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the
>>>>>> idea from a TED Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc...
>>>>>> she can count to 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux
>>>>>> provides unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what
>>>>>> they "should" see.
>>>>>> I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading
>>>>>> through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited.
>>>>>> whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not,
>>>>>> i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech
>>>>>> from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get
>>>>>> them interested to learn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with
>>>>>> varying interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money!
>>>>>> Thank you all!  (but keep it coming!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com
>>>>>> <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to
>>>>>>     better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take
>>>>>>     issue with your assertion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years.
>>>>>>     And we do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy,
>>>>>>     and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or
>>>>>>     social planning. We also know there are a lot of guns and bad
>>>>>>     attitudes that seem to be getting worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed
>>>>>>     in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same
>>>>>>     ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Linda Kateley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming
>>>>>>         program ... Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach
>>>>>>         programming logic without language.. There used to be
>>>>>>         something similar back in the day called bluejay which did
>>>>>>         something very similar but got people more ready for objects
>>>>>>         and was intended for college.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are
>>>>>>         15), we are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some
>>>>>>         new innovation. Logic to me is the key to everything.
>>>>>>         Arduino's are cool and already being used in most of the robot
>>>>>>         clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if they
>>>>>>         understand they have to speak to the device in it's language
>>>>>>         and build program's, I think they will be alright. I speak
>>>>>>         native solaris, but can move between os's like shoes cause I
>>>>>>         know how they work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         Sorry for pontification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         lk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s ->
>>>>>>             early 80s my first effort was to push those new
>>>>>>             microcomputers and even fiber optics. We had a meeting in
>>>>>>             Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and
>>>>>>             somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that
>>>>>>             calculated liquid crystal electro-optic properties. Old
>>>>>>             Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I introduced as the
>>>>>>             "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new
>>>>>>             Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?"
>>>>>>             So the high point of my career came and went, the internet
>>>>>>             happened, everything is microcontroller controlled,
>>>>>>             lightweight displays are the norm, friends that tried to
>>>>>>             automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke,
>>>>>>             Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is the world's
>>>>>>             biggest manufacturing economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of
>>>>>>             programs. IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm
>>>>>>             90. I learned there is now a Protein Data Bank, advanced
>>>>>>             programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to draw
>>>>>>             molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how
>>>>>>             they exploit the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I
>>>>>>             use is not in standard distros, like FreePascal, but the
>>>>>>             "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian," the
>>>>>>             Raspberry Pie distro. Etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             So when a couple of school computer administrators get
>>>>>>             praise for just wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how
>>>>>>             they will ever catch up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             r hayman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Relevancy.
>>>>>>                 To remain relevant in many job fields, students must
>>>>>>                 learn about open source software and Linux. To prepare
>>>>>>                 our students and our future work force to be relevant
>>>>>>                 when they enter the work force, academia and the
>>>>>>                 business world need to be aligned and that alignment,
>>>>>>                 in many ways is with open source software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Running open source or COTS software is seldom a
>>>>>>                 business differentiator today, it may only be a
>>>>>>                 (negative) differentiator based on licensing and
>>>>>>                 support costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate
>>>>>>                 and environment research, simulations of all types,
>>>>>>                 manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly
>>>>>>                 runs on Linux and open source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 For example, visit
>>>>>>                 https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/
>>>>>>                 <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> and filter
>>>>>>                 on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies):
>>>>>>                 Operating System, Application Area, and Segments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites
>>>>>>                 in the world, not a single one runs either Windows or
>>>>>>                 Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%, run something
>>>>>>                 other than some obvious distribution of Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     When my kids were in High School I tried working
>>>>>>                     with our school
>>>>>>                     district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get
>>>>>>                     programming taught,
>>>>>>                     somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at
>>>>>>                     least one MSWindows 95 in
>>>>>>                     some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school
>>>>>>                     because of an ice storm
>>>>>>                     I called and they said I could install the QBasic
>>>>>>                     from Windows, along
>>>>>>                     with program examples galore. So I left my kids
>>>>>>                     home and drove to town
>>>>>>                     and installed it all. I later went to school board
>>>>>>                     meetings and they
>>>>>>                     fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political"
>>>>>>                     is an understatement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know
>>>>>>                     how kids can make it
>>>>>>                     in the future without knowing electronics and
>>>>>>                     programming. It seems they
>>>>>>                     are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard
>>>>>>                     them intellectually.
>>>>>>                     It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                     Linda Kateley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         I started working with my school district
>>>>>>                         about 10 years ago. The problems I find there
>>>>>>                         are always political and never about
>>>>>>                         technology. What worked for me is to find one
>>>>>>                         champion in the system that speaks the
>>>>>>                         administrations language. I found there were a
>>>>>>                         ton of people who wanted to know, just not at
>>>>>>                         the top. I introduced scratch to the
>>>>>>                         elementary STEM school about 5 years ago,
>>>>>>                         https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the
>>>>>> districts
>>>>>>                         first involvement with opensource or
>>>>>>                         community. The project has been very very
>>>>>>                         successful and it opened the doors to more.
>>>>>>                         But then they hired a new superintendent that
>>>>>>                         thought it was stupid so..that happened ;(
>>>>>>                         linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             I have already given one presentation at
>>>>>>                             the Blair Taylor School with the principal
>>>>>>                             and an IT guy and have been asked to give
>>>>>>                             a follow up talk to them and the head of
>>>>>>                             the IT department. They had macbook air
>>>>>>                             for the older kids and ipads for the
>>>>>>                             younger ones. They bring these home at the
>>>>>>                             end of the school day. This time they
>>>>>>                             decided to go with cromebooks. It one of
>>>>>>                             the best.. rated or testing, can't think
>>>>>>                             of an appropriate word, but with the
>>>>>>                             quality of the teachers out here i am
>>>>>>                             pretty sure they could give my kids sticks
>>>>>>                             and a box of sand and they would still be
>>>>>>                             well prepared for life on their
>>>>>>                             own/college. I am 100% positive they will
>>>>>>                             be much better off if they can learn
>>>>>>                             without restrictions from open source
>>>>>>                             hardware, software, classes (like MIT
>>>>>>                             offers open courseware) and the ability to
>>>>>>                             choose, to not be scolded for breaking
>>>>>>                             some license agreement or for reading and
>>>>>>                             modifying code should that be an interest.
>>>>>>                             I want them to have Linux. I have gave a
>>>>>>                             compelling argument in the last meeting.
>>>>>>                             This time I want to have as many resources
>>>>>>                             available to provide for them, including
>>>>>>                             reasons why schools frequently choose to
>>>>>>                             not use Linux. Anything will help. I had
>>>>>>                             quite the presentation last time and the
>>>>>>                             IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4
>>>>>>                             was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu
>>>>>>                             provides computers reloaded with Linux and
>>>>>>                             tablets so how they didn't find anything
>>>>>>                             about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is
>>>>>>                             beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on
>>>>>>                             a thumb drive. I wanted to make some more
>>>>>>                             and use persistence to load up some
>>>>>>                             information to give to the IT people who
>>>>>>                             are possibly way under informed, to give
>>>>>>                             them plenty of time on their own to absorb
>>>>>>                             what open source has to offer; mostly
>>>>>>                             community! They asked many questions about
>>>>>>                             community. Yes we work together and keep
>>>>>>                             our favorite distributions alive often
>>>>>>                             without corporate support!
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