One of my friends is an investor in oculus rift. You can buy the dev kit for like $300 if i remember right.. On 8/23/16 4:52 PM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote: > oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid 2000's about > augmented reality and how they were working on overlays for the > various things you would want to know about something like a building. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Sandwhich Eyes > <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com <mailto:sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>> wrote: > > oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in > site. that is uplifting. and true, ayyyyyyy > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes > <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com <mailto:sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>> wrote: > > i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu > for college. when I had a medical break in my career, she took > over and i never looked back. > we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have > heard said in some random TED Talk. also interested in this > TED Talk about microbes: > https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en > <https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en> > but have yet to indulge myself. > i would like to do something positive for people, to make a > difference with my time, not only for me but for others. I > used to be a part of Rotary International for years. I like to > give. I feel as though with the time on my hands i can do > something for me while showing my kids what can be > accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have > raised my 4 children to be aware that they can do things that > make life fair for all people. > and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal > is to get land and a wind generator made from scratch, then > have it make me money with our average 12 mph wind speed. then > build more. but that is for me to make money, not to feel good > about myself. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson > <eng at pinenet.com <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote: > > Besides being a good mother, you value learning, > community, and even Linux. Wow, that's a plate full! > > Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may > I suggest other opportunity in your young family's future. > Having mentioned the new atmospheric CO2 levels can grow > plants faster, we also can improve soil quality with new > carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black > dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen > related to CO2 emissions. It is called carbon > sequestration. In our experience, we get phenomenal > improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a > little child loves better than eating a homegrown > strawberry. I hope you can enjoy such creative gifts with > your family. > > Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts, > lifestyle, and a hopeful future sure beats competing for > top barking dog status. As SuSE Linux says after > installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short. > > Sandwhich Eyes wrote: > > i have spent many hours reading as much as i can > handle from the ideas in these responses. i am barely > beyond the last point that i has mentioned the > wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my > overactive brain is just loving all the angles that > you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids under 8 > and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small > arsenal of parts i am accumulating. they get direction > in the form of: consider what this really is, wood, > metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it do > what it is supposed to do and why does it only do > that? could it do something else. can you put it > inside of a different enclosure and have it do the > same thing, something different? I give them power > tools and scrap wood (someday when i have more tools i > will offer them other materials). that gets their > brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from > a TED Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and > nails etc... she can count to 26. was 2 in jan. > providing opportunities (much like Linux provides > unlimited options) and directions for them to look, > never what they "should" see. > I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend > more time reading through this 1 email at a time doing > research all the way. I am so excited. whether the > school provides the kind of things i would like to see > or not, i am learning so much and my children will be > benefiting from this speech from the way i am able to > understand and get through to them; have to get them > interested to learn. > > Community! so many different people from so many > backgrounds with varying interests come together with > a common interest; and it isn't money! > Thank you all! (but keep it coming!) > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson > <eng at pinenet.com <mailto:eng at pinenet.com> > <mailto:eng at pinenet.com <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>>> wrote: > > Having separately suggested a specific Linux > software use to > better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake > of kids I take > issue with your assertion. > > We do know the global population has doubled in > the last 50 years. > And we do know kids will face shortages of food, > water, energy, > and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or > arithmetic or > social planning. We also know there are a lot of > guns and bad > attitudes that seem to be getting worse. > > Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some > actually employed > in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are > eager. Same ol, same > ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing. > > > Linda Kateley wrote: > > So that's the reason I pointed them to that > mit programming > program ... Kids need to understand logic, it > is way to teach > programming logic without language.. There > used to be > something similar back in the day called > bluejay which did > something very similar but got people more > ready for objects > and was intended for college. > > Whatever we think it is going to be like for > them(my kids are > 15), we are going to be wrong. Something else > will come. Some > new innovation. Logic to me is the key to > everything. > Arduino's are cool and already being used in > most of the robot > clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. > but if they > understand they have to speak to the device in > it's language > and build program's, I think they will be > alright. I speak > native solaris, but can move between os's like > shoes cause I > know how they work. > > Sorry for pontification. > > lk > > > On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: > > Having done Biophysics grad school in the > late 1970s -> > early 80s my first effort was to push > those new > microcomputers and even fiber optics. We > had a meeting in > Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an > Epson QX10 and > somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide > structure that > calculated liquid crystal electro-optic > properties. Old > Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I > introduced as the > "father of digital electronics" by > throwing out some new > Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, > "Who did this?" > So the high point of my career came and > went, the internet > happened, everything is microcontroller > controlled, > lightweight displays are the norm, friends > that tried to > automate factories with pneumatic controls > are broke, > Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is > the world's > biggest manufacturing economy. > > I like SuSE Linux because they always > included hundreds of > programs. IBM data explorer is worth > learning before I'm > 90. I learned there is now a Protein Data > Bank, advanced > programs to use it, and a nice > XScreensaver to draw > molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am > surprised how > they exploit the Unix terminal connection. > Most stuff I > use is not in standard distros, like > FreePascal, but the > "forms library," oddly enough is in > "Raspbian," the > Raspberry Pie distro. Etc. > > So when a couple of school computer > administrators get > praise for just wanting to hear about > Linux, I wonder how > they will ever catch up. > > r hayman wrote: > > Relevancy. > To remain relevant in many job fields, > students must > learn about open source software and > Linux. To prepare > our students and our future work force > to be relevant > when they enter the work force, > academia and the > business world need to be aligned and > that alignment, > in many ways is with open source software. > > Running open source or COTS software > is seldom a > business differentiator today, it may > only be a > (negative) differentiator based on > licensing and > support costs. > > Pharmaceutical research, weather > forecasting, climate > and environment research, simulations > of all types, > manufacturing, design, you name it, it > predominantly > runs on Linux and open source. > > For example, visit > https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ > <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> > > <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ > <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/>> and filter > on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then > Category(ies): > Operating System, Application Area, > and Segments. > > You will find that of the top 500 > supercomputer sites > in the world, not a single one runs > either Windows or > Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over > 3%, run something > other than some obvious distribution > of Linux. > > > > On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, > Rick Engebretson wrote: > > When my kids were in High School I > tried working > with our school > district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 > just to get > programming taught, > somewhere. The school used all > Macs but had at > least one MSWindows 95 in > some kind of lab. On a day they > canceled school > because of an ice storm > I called and they said I could > install the QBasic > from Windows, along > with program examples galore. So I > left my kids > home and drove to town > and installed it all. I later went > to school board > meetings and they > fought me until my kids all > graduated. "Political" > is an understatement. > > I use Linux because I can program > it. I don't know > how kids can make it > in the future without knowing > electronics and > programming. It seems they > are trying to cripple kids with > sports, and retard > them intellectually. > It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s. > > Linda Kateley wrote: > > I started working with my > school district > about 10 years ago. The > problems I find there > are always political and never > about > technology. What worked for me is to find one > champion in the system that > speaks the > administrations language. I found there were a > ton of people who wanted to > know, just not at > the top. I introduced scratch > to the > elementary STEM school about 5 > years ago, > https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts > first involvement with > opensource or > community. The project has > been very very > successful and it opened the > doors to more. > But then they hired a new > superintendent that > thought it was stupid so..that > happened ;( > linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, > Sandwhich Eyes wrote: > > I have already given one > presentation at > the Blair Taylor School > with the principal > and an IT guy and have > been asked to give > a follow up talk to them > and the head of > the IT department. They > had macbook air > for the older kids and > ipads for the > younger ones. They bring these home at the > end of the school day. > This time they > decided to go with cromebooks. It one of > the best.. rated or > testing, can't think > of an appropriate word, > but with the > quality of the teachers out here i am > pretty sure they could > give my kids sticks > and a box of sand and they > would still be > well prepared for life on > their > own/college. I am 100% positive they will > be much better off if they > can learn > without restrictions from open source > hardware, software, classes (like MIT > offers open courseware) > and the ability to > choose, to not be scolded for breaking > some license agreement or > for reading and > modifying code should that be an interest. > I want them to have Linux. > I have gave a > compelling argument in the last meeting. > This time I want to have > as many resources > available to provide for them, including > reasons why schools frequently choose to > not use Linux. Anything > will help. I had > quite the presentation > last time and the > IT guy didn't know what > Unix or BSD 4.4 > was; or Linux, BSD, > Solaris. Seems Ubuntu > provides computers reloaded with Linux and > tablets so how they didn't find anything > about open source or > Linux/BSD/ETC is > beyond me. I gave them a > live Ubuntu OS on > a thumb drive. I wanted to > make some more > and use persistence to > load up some > information to give to the IT people who > are possibly way under > informed, to give > them plenty of time on > their own to absorb > what open source has to > offer; mostly > community! They asked many questions about > community. 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