One of my friends is an investor in oculus rift. You can buy the dev kit 
for like $300 if i remember right..


On 8/23/16 4:52 PM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
> oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid 2000's about 
> augmented reality and how they were working on overlays for the 
> various things you would want to know about something like a building.
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Sandwhich Eyes 
> <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com <mailto:sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in
>     site. that is uplifting.  and true, ayyyyyyy
>
>     On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes
>     <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com <mailto:sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>            i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu
>         for college. when I had a medical break in my career, she took
>         over and i never looked back.
>            we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have
>         heard said in some random TED Talk. also interested in this
>         TED Talk about microbes:
>         https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en
>         <https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en>
>         but have yet to indulge myself.
>            i would like to do something positive for people, to make a
>         difference with my time, not only for me but for others. I
>         used to be a part of Rotary International for years. I like to
>         give. I feel as though with the time on my hands i can do
>         something for me while showing my kids what can be
>         accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have
>         raised my 4 children to be aware that they can do things that
>         make life fair for all people.
>            and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal
>         is to get land and a wind generator made from scratch, then
>         have it make me money with our average 12 mph wind speed. then
>         build more. but that is for me to make money, not to feel good
>         about myself.
>
>         On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson
>         <eng at pinenet.com <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote:
>
>             Besides being a good mother, you value learning,
>             community, and even Linux. Wow, that's a plate full!
>
>             Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may
>             I suggest other opportunity in your young family's future.
>             Having mentioned the new atmospheric CO2 levels can grow
>             plants faster, we also can improve soil quality with new
>             carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black
>             dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen
>             related to CO2 emissions. It is called carbon
>             sequestration. In our experience, we get phenomenal
>             improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a
>             little child loves better than eating a homegrown
>             strawberry. I hope you can enjoy such creative gifts with
>             your family.
>
>             Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts,
>             lifestyle, and a hopeful future sure beats competing for
>             top barking dog status. As SuSE Linux says after
>             installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short.
>
>             Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>
>                 i have spent many hours reading as much as i can
>                 handle from the ideas in these responses. i am barely
>                 beyond the last point that i has mentioned the
>                 wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my
>                 overactive brain is just loving all the angles that
>                 you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids under 8
>                 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small
>                 arsenal of parts i am accumulating. they get direction
>                 in the form of: consider what this really is, wood,
>                 metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it do
>                 what it is supposed to do and why does it only do
>                 that? could it do something else. can you put it
>                 inside of a different enclosure and have it do the
>                 same thing, something different? I give them power
>                 tools and scrap wood (someday when i have more tools i
>                 will offer them other materials). that gets their
>                 brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from
>                 a TED Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and
>                 nails etc... she can count to 26. was 2 in jan.
>                 providing opportunities (much like Linux provides
>                 unlimited options) and directions for them to look,
>                 never what they "should" see.
>                 I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend
>                 more time reading through this 1 email at a time doing
>                 research all the way. I am so excited. whether the
>                 school provides the kind of things i would like to see
>                 or not, i am learning so much and my children will be
>                 benefiting from this speech from the way i am able to
>                 understand and get through to them; have to get them
>                 interested to learn.
>
>                 Community! so many different people from so many
>                 backgrounds with varying interests come together with
>                 a common interest; and it isn't money!
>                 Thank you all!  (but keep it coming!)
>
>                 On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson
>                 <eng at pinenet.com <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>
>                 <mailto:eng at pinenet.com <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>>> wrote:
>
>                     Having separately suggested a specific Linux
>                 software use to
>                     better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake
>                 of kids I take
>                     issue with your assertion.
>
>                     We do know the global population has doubled in
>                 the last 50 years.
>                     And we do know kids will face shortages of food,
>                 water, energy,
>                     and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or
>                 arithmetic or
>                     social planning. We also know there are a lot of
>                 guns and bad
>                     attitudes that seem to be getting worse.
>
>                     Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some
>                 actually employed
>                     in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are
>                 eager. Same ol, same
>                     ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing.
>
>
>                     Linda Kateley wrote:
>
>                         So that's the reason I pointed them to that
>                 mit programming
>                         program ... Kids need to understand logic, it
>                 is way to teach
>                         programming logic without language.. There
>                 used to be
>                         something similar back in the day called
>                 bluejay which did
>                         something very similar but got people more
>                 ready for objects
>                         and was intended for college.
>
>                         Whatever we think it is going to be like for
>                 them(my kids are
>                         15), we are going to be wrong. Something else
>                 will come. Some
>                         new innovation. Logic to me is the key to
>                 everything.
>                         Arduino's are cool and already being used in
>                 most of the robot
>                         clubs.. Languages will change shift and move..
>                 but if they
>                         understand they have to speak to the device in
>                 it's language
>                         and build program's, I think they will be
>                 alright. I speak
>                         native solaris, but can move between os's like
>                 shoes cause I
>                         know how they work.
>
>                         Sorry for pontification.
>
>                         lk
>
>
>                         On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>
>                             Having done Biophysics grad school in the
>                 late 1970s ->
>                             early 80s my first effort was to push
>                 those new
>                             microcomputers and even fiber optics. We
>                 had a meeting in
>                             Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an
>                 Epson QX10 and
>                             somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide
>                 structure that
>                             calculated liquid crystal electro-optic
>                 properties. Old
>                             Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I
>                 introduced as the
>                             "father of digital electronics" by
>                 throwing out some new
>                             Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked,
>                 "Who did this?"
>                             So the high point of my career came and
>                 went, the internet
>                             happened, everything is microcontroller
>                 controlled,
>                             lightweight displays are the norm, friends
>                 that tried to
>                             automate factories with pneumatic controls
>                 are broke,
>                             Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is
>                 the world's
>                             biggest manufacturing economy.
>
>                             I like SuSE Linux because they always
>                 included hundreds of
>                             programs. IBM data explorer is worth
>                 learning before I'm
>                             90. I learned there is now a Protein Data
>                 Bank, advanced
>                             programs to use it, and a nice
>                 XScreensaver to draw
>                             molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am
>                 surprised how
>                             they exploit the Unix terminal connection.
>                 Most stuff I
>                             use is not in standard distros, like
>                 FreePascal, but the
>                             "forms library," oddly enough is in
>                 "Raspbian," the
>                             Raspberry Pie distro. Etc.
>
>                             So when a couple of school computer
>                 administrators get
>                             praise for just wanting to hear about
>                 Linux, I wonder how
>                             they will ever catch up.
>
>                             r hayman wrote:
>
>                                 Relevancy.
>                                 To remain relevant in many job fields,
>                 students must
>                                 learn about open source software and
>                 Linux. To prepare
>                                 our students and our future work force
>                 to be relevant
>                                 when they enter the work force,
>                 academia and the
>                                 business world need to be aligned and
>                 that alignment,
>                                 in many ways is with open source software.
>
>                                 Running open source or COTS software
>                 is seldom a
>                                 business differentiator today, it may
>                 only be a
>                                 (negative) differentiator based on
>                 licensing and
>                                 support costs.
>
>                                 Pharmaceutical research, weather
>                 forecasting, climate
>                                 and environment research, simulations
>                 of all types,
>                                 manufacturing, design, you name it, it
>                 predominantly
>                                 runs on Linux and open source.
>
>                                 For example, visit
>                 https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/
>                 <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/>
>                                
>                 <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/
>                 <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/>> and filter
>                                 on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then
>                 Category(ies):
>                                 Operating System, Application Area,
>                 and Segments.
>
>                                 You will find that of the top 500
>                 supercomputer sites
>                                 in the world, not a single one runs
>                 either Windows or
>                                 Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over
>                 3%, run something
>                                 other than some obvious distribution
>                 of Linux.
>
>
>
>                                 On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500,
>                 Rick Engebretson wrote:
>
>                                     When my kids were in High School I
>                 tried working
>                                     with our school
>                                     district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998
>                 just to get
>                                     programming taught,
>                                     somewhere. The school used all
>                 Macs but had at
>                                     least one MSWindows 95 in
>                                     some kind of lab. On a day they
>                 canceled school
>                                     because of an ice storm
>                                     I called and they said I could
>                 install the QBasic
>                                     from Windows, along
>                                     with program examples galore. So I
>                 left my kids
>                                     home and drove to town
>                                     and installed it all. I later went
>                 to school board
>                                     meetings and they
>                                     fought me until my kids all
>                 graduated. "Political"
>                                     is an understatement.
>
>                                     I use Linux because I can program
>                 it. I don't know
>                                     how kids can make it
>                                     in the future without knowing
>                 electronics and
>                                     programming. It seems they
>                                     are trying to cripple kids with
>                 sports, and retard
>                                     them intellectually.
>                                     It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.
>
>                                     Linda Kateley wrote:
>
>                                         I started working with my
>                 school district
>                                         about 10 years ago. The
>                 problems I find there
>                                         are always political and never
>                 about
>                 technology. What worked for me is to find one
>                                         champion in the system that
>                 speaks the
>                 administrations language. I found there were a
>                                         ton of people who wanted to
>                 know, just not at
>                                         the top. I introduced scratch
>                 to the
>                                         elementary STEM school about 5
>                 years ago,
>                 https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts
>                                         first involvement with
>                 opensource or
>                                         community. The project has
>                 been very very
>                                         successful and it opened the
>                 doors to more.
>                                         But then they hired a new
>                 superintendent that
>                                         thought it was stupid so..that
>                 happened ;(
>                                         linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM,
>                 Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>
>                                             I have already given one
>                 presentation at
>                                             the Blair Taylor School
>                 with the principal
>                                             and an IT guy and have
>                 been asked to give
>                                             a follow up talk to them
>                 and the head of
>                                             the IT department. They
>                 had macbook air
>                                             for the older kids and
>                 ipads for the
>                 younger ones. They bring these home at the
>                                             end of the school day.
>                 This time they
>                 decided to go with cromebooks. It one of
>                                             the best.. rated or
>                 testing, can't think
>                                             of an appropriate word,
>                 but with the
>                 quality of the teachers out here i am
>                                             pretty sure they could
>                 give my kids sticks
>                                             and a box of sand and they
>                 would still be
>                                             well prepared for life on
>                 their
>                 own/college. I am 100% positive they will
>                                             be much better off if they
>                 can learn
>                 without restrictions from open source
>                 hardware, software, classes (like MIT
>                                             offers open courseware)
>                 and the ability to
>                 choose, to not be scolded for breaking
>                                             some license agreement or
>                 for reading and
>                 modifying code should that be an interest.
>                                             I want them to have Linux.
>                 I have gave a
>                 compelling argument in the last meeting.
>                                             This time I want to have
>                 as many resources
>                 available to provide for them, including
>                 reasons why schools frequently choose to
>                                             not use Linux. Anything
>                 will help. I had
>                                             quite the presentation
>                 last time and the
>                                             IT guy didn't know what
>                 Unix or BSD 4.4
>                                             was; or Linux, BSD,
>                 Solaris. Seems Ubuntu
>                 provides computers reloaded with Linux and
>                 tablets so how they didn't find anything
>                                             about open source or
>                 Linux/BSD/ETC is
>                                             beyond me. I gave them a
>                 live Ubuntu OS on
>                                             a thumb drive. I wanted to
>                 make some more
>                                             and use persistence to
>                 load up some
>                 information to give to the IT people who
>                                             are possibly way under
>                 informed, to give
>                                             them plenty of time on
>                 their own to absorb
>                                             what open source has to
>                 offer; mostly
>                 community! They asked many questions about
>                 community. Yes we work together and keep
>                                             our favorite distributions
>                 alive often
>                 without corporate support!
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