oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid 2000's about augmented reality and how they were working on overlays for the various things you would want to know about something like a building. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com> wrote: > oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in site. > that is uplifting. and true, ayyyyyyy > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu for >> college. when I had a medical break in my career, she took over and i never >> looked back. >> we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have heard said >> in some random TED Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about microbes: >> https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_ >> technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en but have yet to >> indulge myself. >> i would like to do something positive for people, to make a difference >> with my time, not only for me but for others. I used to be a part of Rotary >> International for years. I like to give. I feel as though with the time on >> my hands i can do something for me while showing my kids what can be >> accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have raised my 4 >> children to be aware that they can do things that make life fair for all >> people. >> and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal is to get >> land and a wind generator made from scratch, then have it make me money >> with our average 12 mph wind speed. then build more. but that is for me to >> make money, not to feel good about myself. >> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Besides being a good mother, you value learning, community, and even >>> Linux. Wow, that's a plate full! >>> >>> Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may I suggest >>> other opportunity in your young family's future. Having mentioned the new >>> atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants faster, we also can improve soil >>> quality with new carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black >>> dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen related to CO2 >>> emissions. It is called carbon sequestration. In our experience, we get >>> phenomenal improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a little >>> child loves better than eating a homegrown strawberry. I hope you can enjoy >>> such creative gifts with your family. >>> >>> Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts, lifestyle, and a >>> hopeful future sure beats competing for top barking dog status. As SuSE >>> Linux says after installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short. >>> >>> Sandwhich Eyes wrote: >>> >>>> i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the ideas >>>> in these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has mentioned >>>> the wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive brain is >>>> just loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids >>>> under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small arsenal of >>>> parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of: consider what >>>> this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it >>>> do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that? could it do >>>> something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure and have it >>>> do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools and scrap >>>> wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other materials). >>>> that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from a TED >>>> Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc... she can count to >>>> 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux provides >>>> unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what they >>>> "should" see. >>>> I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading >>>> through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited. >>>> whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not, >>>> i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech >>>> from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get >>>> them interested to learn. >>>> >>>> Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with >>>> varying interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money! >>>> Thank you all! (but keep it coming!) >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com >>>> <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to >>>> better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take >>>> issue with your assertion. >>>> >>>> We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years. >>>> And we do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy, >>>> and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or >>>> social planning. We also know there are a lot of guns and bad >>>> attitudes that seem to be getting worse. >>>> >>>> Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed >>>> in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same >>>> ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing. >>>> >>>> >>>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>>> >>>> So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming >>>> program ... Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach >>>> programming logic without language.. There used to be >>>> something similar back in the day called bluejay which did >>>> something very similar but got people more ready for objects >>>> and was intended for college. >>>> >>>> Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are >>>> 15), we are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some >>>> new innovation. Logic to me is the key to everything. >>>> Arduino's are cool and already being used in most of the robot >>>> clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if they >>>> understand they have to speak to the device in it's language >>>> and build program's, I think they will be alright. I speak >>>> native solaris, but can move between os's like shoes cause I >>>> know how they work. >>>> >>>> Sorry for pontification. >>>> >>>> lk >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>>> >>>> Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s -> >>>> early 80s my first effort was to push those new >>>> microcomputers and even fiber optics. We had a meeting in >>>> Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and >>>> somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that >>>> calculated liquid crystal electro-optic properties. Old >>>> Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I introduced as the >>>> "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new >>>> Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?" >>>> So the high point of my career came and went, the internet >>>> happened, everything is microcontroller controlled, >>>> lightweight displays are the norm, friends that tried to >>>> automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke, >>>> Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is the world's >>>> biggest manufacturing economy. >>>> >>>> I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of >>>> programs. IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm >>>> 90. I learned there is now a Protein Data Bank, advanced >>>> programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to draw >>>> molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how >>>> they exploit the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I >>>> use is not in standard distros, like FreePascal, but the >>>> "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian," the >>>> Raspberry Pie distro. Etc. >>>> >>>> So when a couple of school computer administrators get >>>> praise for just wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how >>>> they will ever catch up. >>>> >>>> r hayman wrote: >>>> >>>> Relevancy. >>>> To remain relevant in many job fields, students must >>>> learn about open source software and Linux. To prepare >>>> our students and our future work force to be relevant >>>> when they enter the work force, academia and the >>>> business world need to be aligned and that alignment, >>>> in many ways is with open source software. >>>> >>>> Running open source or COTS software is seldom a >>>> business differentiator today, it may only be a >>>> (negative) differentiator based on licensing and >>>> support costs. >>>> >>>> Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate >>>> and environment research, simulations of all types, >>>> manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly >>>> runs on Linux and open source. >>>> >>>> For example, visit >>>> https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ >>>> <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> and filter >>>> on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): >>>> Operating System, Application Area, and Segments. >>>> >>>> You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites >>>> in the world, not a single one runs either Windows or >>>> Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%, run something >>>> other than some obvious distribution of Linux. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When my kids were in High School I tried working >>>> with our school >>>> district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get >>>> programming taught, >>>> somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at >>>> least one MSWindows 95 in >>>> some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school >>>> because of an ice storm >>>> I called and they said I could install the QBasic >>>> from Windows, along >>>> with program examples galore. So I left my kids >>>> home and drove to town >>>> and installed it all. I later went to school board >>>> meetings and they >>>> fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" >>>> is an understatement. >>>> >>>> I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know >>>> how kids can make it >>>> in the future without knowing electronics and >>>> programming. It seems they >>>> are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard >>>> them intellectually. >>>> It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s. >>>> >>>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>>> >>>> I started working with my school district >>>> about 10 years ago. The problems I find there >>>> are always political and never about >>>> technology. What worked for me is to find one >>>> champion in the system that speaks the >>>> administrations language. I found there were a >>>> ton of people who wanted to know, just not at >>>> the top. I introduced scratch to the >>>> elementary STEM school about 5 years ago, >>>> https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts >>>> first involvement with opensource or >>>> community. The project has been very very >>>> successful and it opened the doors to more. >>>> But then they hired a new superintendent that >>>> thought it was stupid so..that happened ;( >>>> linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote: >>>> >>>> I have already given one presentation at >>>> the Blair Taylor School with the principal >>>> and an IT guy and have been asked to give >>>> a follow up talk to them and the head of >>>> the IT department. They had macbook air >>>> for the older kids and ipads for the >>>> younger ones. They bring these home at the >>>> end of the school day. This time they >>>> decided to go with cromebooks. It one of >>>> the best.. rated or testing, can't think >>>> of an appropriate word, but with the >>>> quality of the teachers out here i am >>>> pretty sure they could give my kids sticks >>>> and a box of sand and they would still be >>>> well prepared for life on their >>>> own/college. I am 100% positive they will >>>> be much better off if they can learn >>>> without restrictions from open source >>>> hardware, software, classes (like MIT >>>> offers open courseware) and the ability to >>>> choose, to not be scolded for breaking >>>> some license agreement or for reading and >>>> modifying code should that be an interest. >>>> I want them to have Linux. I have gave a >>>> compelling argument in the last meeting. >>>> This time I want to have as many resources >>>> available to provide for them, including >>>> reasons why schools frequently choose to >>>> not use Linux. Anything will help. I had >>>> quite the presentation last time and the >>>> IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 >>>> was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu >>>> provides computers reloaded with Linux and >>>> tablets so how they didn't find anything >>>> about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is >>>> beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on >>>> a thumb drive. I wanted to make some more >>>> and use persistence to load up some >>>> information to give to the IT people who >>>> are possibly way under informed, to give >>>> them plenty of time on their own to absorb >>>> what open source has to offer; mostly >>>> community! They asked many questions about >>>> community. Yes we work together and keep >>>> our favorite distributions alive often >>>> without corporate support! >>>> ______________________________ >>>> _________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >>>> Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/ma >>>> ilman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/m >>>> ailman/listinfo/tclug-list> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG >>>> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/ma >>>> ilman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/m >>>> ailman/listinfo/tclug-list> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/ma >>>> ilman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/m >>>> ailman/listinfo/tclug-list> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> > >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20160823/4aa75b98/attachment-0001.html>