oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid 2000's about augmented
reality and how they were working on overlays for the various things you
would want to know about something like a building.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
wrote:

> oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in site.
> that is uplifting.  and true, ayyyyyyy
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>    i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu for
>> college. when I had a medical break in my career, she took over and i never
>> looked back.
>>    we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have heard said
>> in some random TED Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about microbes:
>> https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_
>> technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en but have yet to
>> indulge myself.
>>    i would like to do something positive for people, to make a difference
>> with my time, not only for me but for others. I used to be a part of Rotary
>> International for years. I like to give. I feel as though with the time on
>> my hands i can do something for me while showing my kids what can be
>> accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have raised my 4
>> children to be aware that they can do things that make life fair for all
>> people.
>>    and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal is to get
>> land and a wind generator made from scratch, then have it make me money
>> with our average 12 mph wind speed. then build more. but that is for me to
>> make money, not to feel good about myself.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Besides being a good mother, you value learning, community, and even
>>> Linux. Wow, that's a plate full!
>>>
>>> Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may I suggest
>>> other opportunity in your young family's future. Having mentioned the new
>>> atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants faster, we also can improve soil
>>> quality with new carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black
>>> dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen related to CO2
>>> emissions. It is called carbon sequestration. In our experience, we get
>>> phenomenal improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a little
>>> child loves better than eating a homegrown strawberry. I hope you can enjoy
>>> such creative gifts with your family.
>>>
>>> Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts, lifestyle, and a
>>> hopeful future sure beats competing for top barking dog status. As SuSE
>>> Linux says after installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short.
>>>
>>> Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>>>
>>>> i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the ideas
>>>> in these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has mentioned
>>>> the wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive brain is
>>>> just loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids
>>>> under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small arsenal of
>>>> parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of: consider what
>>>> this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it
>>>> do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that? could it do
>>>> something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure and have it
>>>> do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools and scrap
>>>> wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other materials).
>>>> that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from a TED
>>>> Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc... she can count to
>>>> 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux provides
>>>> unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what they
>>>> "should" see.
>>>> I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading
>>>> through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited.
>>>> whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not,
>>>> i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech
>>>> from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get
>>>> them interested to learn.
>>>>
>>>> Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with
>>>> varying interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money!
>>>> Thank you all!  (but keep it coming!)
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com
>>>> <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to
>>>>     better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take
>>>>     issue with your assertion.
>>>>
>>>>     We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years.
>>>>     And we do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy,
>>>>     and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or
>>>>     social planning. We also know there are a lot of guns and bad
>>>>     attitudes that seem to be getting worse.
>>>>
>>>>     Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed
>>>>     in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same
>>>>     ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Linda Kateley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming
>>>>         program ... Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach
>>>>         programming logic without language.. There used to be
>>>>         something similar back in the day called bluejay which did
>>>>         something very similar but got people more ready for objects
>>>>         and was intended for college.
>>>>
>>>>         Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are
>>>>         15), we are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some
>>>>         new innovation. Logic to me is the key to everything.
>>>>         Arduino's are cool and already being used in most of the robot
>>>>         clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if they
>>>>         understand they have to speak to the device in it's language
>>>>         and build program's, I think they will be alright. I speak
>>>>         native solaris, but can move between os's like shoes cause I
>>>>         know how they work.
>>>>
>>>>         Sorry for pontification.
>>>>
>>>>         lk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s ->
>>>>             early 80s my first effort was to push those new
>>>>             microcomputers and even fiber optics. We had a meeting in
>>>>             Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and
>>>>             somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that
>>>>             calculated liquid crystal electro-optic properties. Old
>>>>             Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I introduced as the
>>>>             "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new
>>>>             Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?"
>>>>             So the high point of my career came and went, the internet
>>>>             happened, everything is microcontroller controlled,
>>>>             lightweight displays are the norm, friends that tried to
>>>>             automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke,
>>>>             Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is the world's
>>>>             biggest manufacturing economy.
>>>>
>>>>             I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of
>>>>             programs. IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm
>>>>             90. I learned there is now a Protein Data Bank, advanced
>>>>             programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to draw
>>>>             molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how
>>>>             they exploit the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I
>>>>             use is not in standard distros, like FreePascal, but the
>>>>             "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian," the
>>>>             Raspberry Pie distro. Etc.
>>>>
>>>>             So when a couple of school computer administrators get
>>>>             praise for just wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how
>>>>             they will ever catch up.
>>>>
>>>>             r hayman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Relevancy.
>>>>                 To remain relevant in many job fields, students must
>>>>                 learn about open source software and Linux. To prepare
>>>>                 our students and our future work force to be relevant
>>>>                 when they enter the work force, academia and the
>>>>                 business world need to be aligned and that alignment,
>>>>                 in many ways is with open source software.
>>>>
>>>>                 Running open source or COTS software is seldom a
>>>>                 business differentiator today, it may only be a
>>>>                 (negative) differentiator based on licensing and
>>>>                 support costs.
>>>>
>>>>                 Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate
>>>>                 and environment research, simulations of all types,
>>>>                 manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly
>>>>                 runs on Linux and open source.
>>>>
>>>>                 For example, visit
>>>>                 https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/
>>>>                 <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> and filter
>>>>                 on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies):
>>>>                 Operating System, Application Area, and Segments.
>>>>
>>>>                 You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites
>>>>                 in the world, not a single one runs either Windows or
>>>>                 Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%, run something
>>>>                 other than some obvious distribution of Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                     When my kids were in High School I tried working
>>>>                     with our school
>>>>                     district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get
>>>>                     programming taught,
>>>>                     somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at
>>>>                     least one MSWindows 95 in
>>>>                     some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school
>>>>                     because of an ice storm
>>>>                     I called and they said I could install the QBasic
>>>>                     from Windows, along
>>>>                     with program examples galore. So I left my kids
>>>>                     home and drove to town
>>>>                     and installed it all. I later went to school board
>>>>                     meetings and they
>>>>                     fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political"
>>>>                     is an understatement.
>>>>
>>>>                     I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know
>>>>                     how kids can make it
>>>>                     in the future without knowing electronics and
>>>>                     programming. It seems they
>>>>                     are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard
>>>>                     them intellectually.
>>>>                     It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.
>>>>
>>>>                     Linda Kateley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                         I started working with my school district
>>>>                         about 10 years ago. The problems I find there
>>>>                         are always political and never about
>>>>                         technology. What worked for me is to find one
>>>>                         champion in the system that speaks the
>>>>                         administrations language. I found there were a
>>>>                         ton of people who wanted to know, just not at
>>>>                         the top. I introduced scratch to the
>>>>                         elementary STEM school about 5 years ago,
>>>>                         https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts
>>>>                         first involvement with opensource or
>>>>                         community. The project has been very very
>>>>                         successful and it opened the doors to more.
>>>>                         But then they hired a new superintendent that
>>>>                         thought it was stupid so..that happened ;(
>>>>                         linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                             I have already given one presentation at
>>>>                             the Blair Taylor School with the principal
>>>>                             and an IT guy and have been asked to give
>>>>                             a follow up talk to them and the head of
>>>>                             the IT department. They had macbook air
>>>>                             for the older kids and ipads for the
>>>>                             younger ones. They bring these home at the
>>>>                             end of the school day. This time they
>>>>                             decided to go with cromebooks. It one of
>>>>                             the best.. rated or testing, can't think
>>>>                             of an appropriate word, but with the
>>>>                             quality of the teachers out here i am
>>>>                             pretty sure they could give my kids sticks
>>>>                             and a box of sand and they would still be
>>>>                             well prepared for life on their
>>>>                             own/college. I am 100% positive they will
>>>>                             be much better off if they can learn
>>>>                             without restrictions from open source
>>>>                             hardware, software, classes (like MIT
>>>>                             offers open courseware) and the ability to
>>>>                             choose, to not be scolded for breaking
>>>>                             some license agreement or for reading and
>>>>                             modifying code should that be an interest.
>>>>                             I want them to have Linux. I have gave a
>>>>                             compelling argument in the last meeting.
>>>>                             This time I want to have as many resources
>>>>                             available to provide for them, including
>>>>                             reasons why schools frequently choose to
>>>>                             not use Linux. Anything will help. I had
>>>>                             quite the presentation last time and the
>>>>                             IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4
>>>>                             was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu
>>>>                             provides computers reloaded with Linux and
>>>>                             tablets so how they didn't find anything
>>>>                             about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is
>>>>                             beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on
>>>>                             a thumb drive. I wanted to make some more
>>>>                             and use persistence to load up some
>>>>                             information to give to the IT people who
>>>>                             are possibly way under informed, to give
>>>>                             them plenty of time on their own to absorb
>>>>                             what open source has to offer; mostly
>>>>                             community! They asked many questions about
>>>>                             community. Yes we work together and keep
>>>>                             our favorite distributions alive often
>>>>                             without corporate support!
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