oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in site.
that is uplifting.  and true, ayyyyyyy

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
wrote:

>    i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu for college.
> when I had a medical break in my career, she took over and i never looked
> back.
>    we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have heard said in
> some random TED Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about microbes:
> https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_
> age_technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en but have yet to
> indulge myself.
>    i would like to do something positive for people, to make a difference
> with my time, not only for me but for others. I used to be a part of Rotary
> International for years. I like to give. I feel as though with the time on
> my hands i can do something for me while showing my kids what can be
> accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have raised my 4
> children to be aware that they can do things that make life fair for all
> people.
>    and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal is to get
> land and a wind generator made from scratch, then have it make me money
> with our average 12 mph wind speed. then build more. but that is for me to
> make money, not to feel good about myself.
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> wrote:
>
>> Besides being a good mother, you value learning, community, and even
>> Linux. Wow, that's a plate full!
>>
>> Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may I suggest other
>> opportunity in your young family's future. Having mentioned the new
>> atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants faster, we also can improve soil
>> quality with new carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black
>> dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen related to CO2
>> emissions. It is called carbon sequestration. In our experience, we get
>> phenomenal improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a little
>> child loves better than eating a homegrown strawberry. I hope you can enjoy
>> such creative gifts with your family.
>>
>> Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts, lifestyle, and a
>> hopeful future sure beats competing for top barking dog status. As SuSE
>> Linux says after installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short.
>>
>> Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>>
>>> i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the ideas
>>> in these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has mentioned
>>> the wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive brain is
>>> just loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids
>>> under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small arsenal of
>>> parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of: consider what
>>> this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it
>>> do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that? could it do
>>> something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure and have it
>>> do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools and scrap
>>> wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other materials).
>>> that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from a TED
>>> Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc... she can count to
>>> 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux provides
>>> unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what they
>>> "should" see.
>>> I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading
>>> through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited.
>>> whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not,
>>> i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech
>>> from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get
>>> them interested to learn.
>>>
>>> Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with
>>> varying interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money!
>>> Thank you all!  (but keep it coming!)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com
>>> <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to
>>>     better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take
>>>     issue with your assertion.
>>>
>>>     We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years.
>>>     And we do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy,
>>>     and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or
>>>     social planning. We also know there are a lot of guns and bad
>>>     attitudes that seem to be getting worse.
>>>
>>>     Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed
>>>     in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same
>>>     ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Linda Kateley wrote:
>>>
>>>         So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming
>>>         program ... Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach
>>>         programming logic without language.. There used to be
>>>         something similar back in the day called bluejay which did
>>>         something very similar but got people more ready for objects
>>>         and was intended for college.
>>>
>>>         Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are
>>>         15), we are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some
>>>         new innovation. Logic to me is the key to everything.
>>>         Arduino's are cool and already being used in most of the robot
>>>         clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if they
>>>         understand they have to speak to the device in it's language
>>>         and build program's, I think they will be alright. I speak
>>>         native solaris, but can move between os's like shoes cause I
>>>         know how they work.
>>>
>>>         Sorry for pontification.
>>>
>>>         lk
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>>>
>>>             Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s ->
>>>             early 80s my first effort was to push those new
>>>             microcomputers and even fiber optics. We had a meeting in
>>>             Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and
>>>             somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that
>>>             calculated liquid crystal electro-optic properties. Old
>>>             Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I introduced as the
>>>             "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new
>>>             Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?"
>>>             So the high point of my career came and went, the internet
>>>             happened, everything is microcontroller controlled,
>>>             lightweight displays are the norm, friends that tried to
>>>             automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke,
>>>             Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is the world's
>>>             biggest manufacturing economy.
>>>
>>>             I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of
>>>             programs. IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm
>>>             90. I learned there is now a Protein Data Bank, advanced
>>>             programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to draw
>>>             molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how
>>>             they exploit the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I
>>>             use is not in standard distros, like FreePascal, but the
>>>             "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian," the
>>>             Raspberry Pie distro. Etc.
>>>
>>>             So when a couple of school computer administrators get
>>>             praise for just wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how
>>>             they will ever catch up.
>>>
>>>             r hayman wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Relevancy.
>>>                 To remain relevant in many job fields, students must
>>>                 learn about open source software and Linux. To prepare
>>>                 our students and our future work force to be relevant
>>>                 when they enter the work force, academia and the
>>>                 business world need to be aligned and that alignment,
>>>                 in many ways is with open source software.
>>>
>>>                 Running open source or COTS software is seldom a
>>>                 business differentiator today, it may only be a
>>>                 (negative) differentiator based on licensing and
>>>                 support costs.
>>>
>>>                 Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate
>>>                 and environment research, simulations of all types,
>>>                 manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly
>>>                 runs on Linux and open source.
>>>
>>>                 For example, visit
>>>                 https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/
>>>                 <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> and filter
>>>                 on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies):
>>>                 Operating System, Application Area, and Segments.
>>>
>>>                 You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites
>>>                 in the world, not a single one runs either Windows or
>>>                 Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%, run something
>>>                 other than some obvious distribution of Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     When my kids were in High School I tried working
>>>                     with our school
>>>                     district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get
>>>                     programming taught,
>>>                     somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at
>>>                     least one MSWindows 95 in
>>>                     some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school
>>>                     because of an ice storm
>>>                     I called and they said I could install the QBasic
>>>                     from Windows, along
>>>                     with program examples galore. So I left my kids
>>>                     home and drove to town
>>>                     and installed it all. I later went to school board
>>>                     meetings and they
>>>                     fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political"
>>>                     is an understatement.
>>>
>>>                     I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know
>>>                     how kids can make it
>>>                     in the future without knowing electronics and
>>>                     programming. It seems they
>>>                     are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard
>>>                     them intellectually.
>>>                     It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.
>>>
>>>                     Linda Kateley wrote:
>>>
>>>                         I started working with my school district
>>>                         about 10 years ago. The problems I find there
>>>                         are always political and never about
>>>                         technology. What worked for me is to find one
>>>                         champion in the system that speaks the
>>>                         administrations language. I found there were a
>>>                         ton of people who wanted to know, just not at
>>>                         the top. I introduced scratch to the
>>>                         elementary STEM school about 5 years ago,
>>>                         https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts
>>>                         first involvement with opensource or
>>>                         community. The project has been very very
>>>                         successful and it opened the doors to more.
>>>                         But then they hired a new superintendent that
>>>                         thought it was stupid so..that happened ;(
>>>                         linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>>>
>>>                             I have already given one presentation at
>>>                             the Blair Taylor School with the principal
>>>                             and an IT guy and have been asked to give
>>>                             a follow up talk to them and the head of
>>>                             the IT department. They had macbook air
>>>                             for the older kids and ipads for the
>>>                             younger ones. They bring these home at the
>>>                             end of the school day. This time they
>>>                             decided to go with cromebooks. It one of
>>>                             the best.. rated or testing, can't think
>>>                             of an appropriate word, but with the
>>>                             quality of the teachers out here i am
>>>                             pretty sure they could give my kids sticks
>>>                             and a box of sand and they would still be
>>>                             well prepared for life on their
>>>                             own/college. I am 100% positive they will
>>>                             be much better off if they can learn
>>>                             without restrictions from open source
>>>                             hardware, software, classes (like MIT
>>>                             offers open courseware) and the ability to
>>>                             choose, to not be scolded for breaking
>>>                             some license agreement or for reading and
>>>                             modifying code should that be an interest.
>>>                             I want them to have Linux. I have gave a
>>>                             compelling argument in the last meeting.
>>>                             This time I want to have as many resources
>>>                             available to provide for them, including
>>>                             reasons why schools frequently choose to
>>>                             not use Linux. Anything will help. I had
>>>                             quite the presentation last time and the
>>>                             IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4
>>>                             was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu
>>>                             provides computers reloaded with Linux and
>>>                             tablets so how they didn't find anything
>>>                             about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is
>>>                             beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on
>>>                             a thumb drive. I wanted to make some more
>>>                             and use persistence to load up some
>>>                             information to give to the IT people who
>>>                             are possibly way under informed, to give
>>>                             them plenty of time on their own to absorb
>>>                             what open source has to offer; mostly
>>>                             community! They asked many questions about
>>>                             community. Yes we work together and keep
>>>                             our favorite distributions alive often
>>>                             without corporate support!
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