oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in site. that is uplifting. and true, ayyyyyyy On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com> wrote: > i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu for college. > when I had a medical break in my career, she took over and i never looked > back. > we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have heard said in > some random TED Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about microbes: > https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_ > age_technology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en but have yet to > indulge myself. > i would like to do something positive for people, to make a difference > with my time, not only for me but for others. I used to be a part of Rotary > International for years. I like to give. I feel as though with the time on > my hands i can do something for me while showing my kids what can be > accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have raised my 4 > children to be aware that they can do things that make life fair for all > people. > and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal is to get > land and a wind generator made from scratch, then have it make me money > with our average 12 mph wind speed. then build more. but that is for me to > make money, not to feel good about myself. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> wrote: > >> Besides being a good mother, you value learning, community, and even >> Linux. Wow, that's a plate full! >> >> Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may I suggest other >> opportunity in your young family's future. Having mentioned the new >> atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants faster, we also can improve soil >> quality with new carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black >> dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen related to CO2 >> emissions. It is called carbon sequestration. In our experience, we get >> phenomenal improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a little >> child loves better than eating a homegrown strawberry. I hope you can enjoy >> such creative gifts with your family. >> >> Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts, lifestyle, and a >> hopeful future sure beats competing for top barking dog status. As SuSE >> Linux says after installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short. >> >> Sandwhich Eyes wrote: >> >>> i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the ideas >>> in these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has mentioned >>> the wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive brain is >>> just loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids >>> under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small arsenal of >>> parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of: consider what >>> this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it >>> do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that? could it do >>> something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure and have it >>> do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools and scrap >>> wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other materials). >>> that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from a TED >>> Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc... she can count to >>> 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux provides >>> unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what they >>> "should" see. >>> I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading >>> through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited. >>> whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not, >>> i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech >>> from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get >>> them interested to learn. >>> >>> Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with >>> varying interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money! >>> Thank you all! (but keep it coming!) >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com >>> <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to >>> better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take >>> issue with your assertion. >>> >>> We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years. >>> And we do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy, >>> and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or >>> social planning. We also know there are a lot of guns and bad >>> attitudes that seem to be getting worse. >>> >>> Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed >>> in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same >>> ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing. >>> >>> >>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>> >>> So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming >>> program ... Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach >>> programming logic without language.. There used to be >>> something similar back in the day called bluejay which did >>> something very similar but got people more ready for objects >>> and was intended for college. >>> >>> Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are >>> 15), we are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some >>> new innovation. Logic to me is the key to everything. >>> Arduino's are cool and already being used in most of the robot >>> clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if they >>> understand they have to speak to the device in it's language >>> and build program's, I think they will be alright. I speak >>> native solaris, but can move between os's like shoes cause I >>> know how they work. >>> >>> Sorry for pontification. >>> >>> lk >>> >>> >>> On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>> >>> Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s -> >>> early 80s my first effort was to push those new >>> microcomputers and even fiber optics. We had a meeting in >>> Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and >>> somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that >>> calculated liquid crystal electro-optic properties. Old >>> Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I introduced as the >>> "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new >>> Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?" >>> So the high point of my career came and went, the internet >>> happened, everything is microcontroller controlled, >>> lightweight displays are the norm, friends that tried to >>> automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke, >>> Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is the world's >>> biggest manufacturing economy. >>> >>> I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of >>> programs. IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm >>> 90. I learned there is now a Protein Data Bank, advanced >>> programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to draw >>> molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how >>> they exploit the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I >>> use is not in standard distros, like FreePascal, but the >>> "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian," the >>> Raspberry Pie distro. Etc. >>> >>> So when a couple of school computer administrators get >>> praise for just wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how >>> they will ever catch up. >>> >>> r hayman wrote: >>> >>> Relevancy. >>> To remain relevant in many job fields, students must >>> learn about open source software and Linux. To prepare >>> our students and our future work force to be relevant >>> when they enter the work force, academia and the >>> business world need to be aligned and that alignment, >>> in many ways is with open source software. >>> >>> Running open source or COTS software is seldom a >>> business differentiator today, it may only be a >>> (negative) differentiator based on licensing and >>> support costs. >>> >>> Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate >>> and environment research, simulations of all types, >>> manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly >>> runs on Linux and open source. >>> >>> For example, visit >>> https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ >>> <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> and filter >>> on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): >>> Operating System, Application Area, and Segments. >>> >>> You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites >>> in the world, not a single one runs either Windows or >>> Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%, run something >>> other than some obvious distribution of Linux. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson >>> wrote: >>> >>> When my kids were in High School I tried working >>> with our school >>> district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get >>> programming taught, >>> somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at >>> least one MSWindows 95 in >>> some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school >>> because of an ice storm >>> I called and they said I could install the QBasic >>> from Windows, along >>> with program examples galore. So I left my kids >>> home and drove to town >>> and installed it all. I later went to school board >>> meetings and they >>> fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" >>> is an understatement. >>> >>> I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know >>> how kids can make it >>> in the future without knowing electronics and >>> programming. It seems they >>> are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard >>> them intellectually. >>> It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s. >>> >>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>> >>> I started working with my school district >>> about 10 years ago. The problems I find there >>> are always political and never about >>> technology. What worked for me is to find one >>> champion in the system that speaks the >>> administrations language. I found there were a >>> ton of people who wanted to know, just not at >>> the top. I introduced scratch to the >>> elementary STEM school about 5 years ago, >>> https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts >>> first involvement with opensource or >>> community. The project has been very very >>> successful and it opened the doors to more. >>> But then they hired a new superintendent that >>> thought it was stupid so..that happened ;( >>> linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote: >>> >>> I have already given one presentation at >>> the Blair Taylor School with the principal >>> and an IT guy and have been asked to give >>> a follow up talk to them and the head of >>> the IT department. They had macbook air >>> for the older kids and ipads for the >>> younger ones. They bring these home at the >>> end of the school day. This time they >>> decided to go with cromebooks. It one of >>> the best.. rated or testing, can't think >>> of an appropriate word, but with the >>> quality of the teachers out here i am >>> pretty sure they could give my kids sticks >>> and a box of sand and they would still be >>> well prepared for life on their >>> own/college. I am 100% positive they will >>> be much better off if they can learn >>> without restrictions from open source >>> hardware, software, classes (like MIT >>> offers open courseware) and the ability to >>> choose, to not be scolded for breaking >>> some license agreement or for reading and >>> modifying code should that be an interest. >>> I want them to have Linux. I have gave a >>> compelling argument in the last meeting. >>> This time I want to have as many resources >>> available to provide for them, including >>> reasons why schools frequently choose to >>> not use Linux. Anything will help. I had >>> quite the presentation last time and the >>> IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 >>> was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu >>> provides computers reloaded with Linux and >>> tablets so how they didn't find anything >>> about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is >>> beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on >>> a thumb drive. I wanted to make some more >>> and use persistence to load up some >>> information to give to the IT people who >>> are possibly way under informed, to give >>> them plenty of time on their own to absorb >>> what open source has to offer; mostly >>> community! They asked many questions about >>> community. 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