one of the training videos i have, but this is in relation to linda's
arduino comment: UDEMY MASTER ARDUINO WITHOUT CODING TUTORIAL

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
wrote:

> i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the ideas in
> these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has mentioned the
> wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive brain is just
> loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids
> under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small arsenal of
> parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of: consider what
> this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it
> do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that? could it do
> something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure and have it
> do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools and scrap
> wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other materials).
> that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from a TED
> Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc... she can count to
> 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux provides
> unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what they
> "should" see.
> I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading
> through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited.
> whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not,
> i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech
> from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get
> them interested to learn.
>
> Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with varying
> interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money!
> Thank you all!  (but keep it coming!)
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> wrote:
>
>> Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to better
>> understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take issue with your
>> assertion.
>>
>> We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years. And we
>> do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy, and housing in the
>> next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or social planning. We also know
>> there are a lot of guns and bad attitudes that seem to be getting worse.
>>
>> Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed in
>> Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same ol in
>> Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing.
>>
>>
>> Linda Kateley wrote:
>>
>>> So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming program ...
>>> Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach programming logic without
>>> language.. There used to be something similar back in the day called
>>> bluejay which did something very similar but got people more ready for
>>> objects and was intended for college.
>>>
>>> Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are 15), we
>>> are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some new innovation. Logic
>>> to me is the key to everything. Arduino's are cool and already being used
>>> in most of the robot clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if
>>> they understand they have to speak to the device in it's language and build
>>> program's, I think they will be alright. I speak native solaris, but can
>>> move between os's like shoes cause I know how they work.
>>>
>>> Sorry for pontification.
>>>
>>> lk
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s -> early 80s my
>>>> first effort was to push those new microcomputers and even fiber optics. We
>>>> had a meeting in Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and
>>>> somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that calculated liquid
>>>> crystal electro-optic properties. Old Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I
>>>> introduced as the "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new
>>>> Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?" So the high
>>>> point of my career came and went, the internet happened, everything is
>>>> microcontroller controlled, lightweight displays are the norm, friends that
>>>> tried to automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke, Lowertown is
>>>> beautiful, Communist China is the world's biggest manufacturing economy.
>>>>
>>>> I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of programs.
>>>> IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm 90. I learned there is now a
>>>> Protein Data Bank, advanced programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to
>>>> draw molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how they exploit
>>>> the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I use is not in standard distros,
>>>> like FreePascal, but the "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian,"
>>>> the Raspberry Pie distro. Etc.
>>>>
>>>> So when a couple of school computer administrators get praise for just
>>>> wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how they will ever catch up.
>>>>
>>>> r hayman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Relevancy.
>>>>> To remain relevant in many job fields, students must learn about open
>>>>> source software and Linux. To prepare our students and our future work
>>>>> force to be relevant when they enter the work force, academia and the
>>>>> business world need to be aligned and that alignment, in many ways is with
>>>>> open source software.
>>>>>
>>>>> Running open source or COTS software is seldom a business
>>>>> differentiator today, it may only be a (negative) differentiator based on
>>>>> licensing and support costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate and environment
>>>>> research, simulations of all types, manufacturing, design, you name it, it
>>>>> predominantly runs on Linux and open source.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, visit https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ and filter
>>>>> on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): Operating System,
>>>>> Application Area, and Segments.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites in the world,
>>>>> not a single one runs either Windows or Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair
>>>>> over 3%, run something other than some obvious distribution of Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When my kids were in High School I tried working with our school
>>>>>> district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get programming taught,
>>>>>> somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at least one MSWindows 95
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school because of an ice
>>>>>> storm
>>>>>> I called and they said I could install the QBasic from Windows, along
>>>>>> with program examples galore. So I left my kids home and drove to town
>>>>>> and installed it all. I later went to school board meetings and they
>>>>>> fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" is an
>>>>>> understatement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know how kids can make
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> in the future without knowing electronics and programming. It seems
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard them
>>>>>> intellectually.
>>>>>> It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda Kateley wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I started working with my school district about 10 years ago. The
>>>>>>> problems I find there are always political and never about technology. What
>>>>>>> worked for me is to find one champion in the system that speaks the
>>>>>>> administrations language. I found there were a ton of people who wanted to
>>>>>>> know, just not at the top. I introduced scratch to the elementary STEM
>>>>>>> school about 5 years ago, https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the
>>>>>>> districts first involvement with opensource or community. The project has
>>>>>>> been very very successful and it opened the doors to more. But then they
>>>>>>> hired a new superintendent that thought it was stupid so..that happened ;(
>>>>>>> linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have already given one presentation at the Blair Taylor School
>>>>>>>> with the principal and an IT guy and have been asked to give a follow up
>>>>>>>> talk to them and the head of the IT department. They had macbook air for
>>>>>>>> the older kids and ipads for the younger ones. They bring these home at the
>>>>>>>> end of the school day. This time they decided to go with cromebooks. It one
>>>>>>>> of the best.. rated or testing, can't think of an appropriate word, but
>>>>>>>> with the quality of the teachers out here i am pretty sure they could give
>>>>>>>> my kids sticks and a box of sand and they would still be well prepared for
>>>>>>>> life on their own/college. I am 100% positive they will be much better off
>>>>>>>> if they can learn without restrictions from open source hardware, software,
>>>>>>>> classes (like MIT offers open courseware) and the ability to choose, to not
>>>>>>>> be scolded for breaking some license agreement or for reading and modifying
>>>>>>>> code should that be an interest. I want them to have Linux. I have gave a
>>>>>>>> compelling argument in the last meeting. This time I want to have as many
>>>>>>>> resources available to provide for them, including reasons why schools
>>>>>>>> frequently choose to not use Linux. Anything will help. I had quite the
>>>>>>>> presentation last time and the IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 was;
>>>>>>>> or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu provides computers reloaded with Linux
>>>>>>>> and tablets so how they didn't find anything about open source or
>>>>>>>> Linux/BSD/ETC is beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on a thumb drive.
>>>>>>>> I wanted to make some more and use persistence to load up some information
>>>>>>>> to give to the IT people who are possibly way under informed, to give them
>>>>>>>> plenty of time on their own to absorb what open source has to offer; mostly
>>>>>>>> community! They asked many questions about community. Yes we work together
>>>>>>>> and keep our favorite distributions alive often without corporate support!
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