>On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:33:10 -0500, David Phillips wrote: >> Java isn't free. I can't install it on Debian or FreeBSD without >> jumping through hoops. There are plenty of other languages freely >> available for me to use, so why should I care about Java? "John T. Hoffoss" wrote: >Java is a language, and is free. A JDK from Sun requires hoops. (iirc, >a web form) The Blackdown JDK does not, though it isn't GPL'd. ></nitpick> If Java is free, it would be GPL (you could fork the source, etc.), most GNU/Linux distributions would install it and it would be immediately ready to use after the GNU/Linux installation completed. Sorry, free doesn't imply useful. I take it all back except GPL, since free == GPL (free is a synonym for GPL). You need a dose of GNU (http://www.gnu.org/) to help you understand that your proprietary lock-in tools will never let you be free. Who controls the Java specification? If you can build a better Java will Sun allow that? ------ Kaffee is interesting, but its not Java! >> And don't get me started on actually using an application written in >> Java. rpgoldman summed it up nicely. >No comment :) I've had some great experiences, and I've had some nasty >ones. Same as anything else. "If you used the proper tool for the task at hand, all your experiences would be great ones." -- a Guru's Guru Meditation _____ Sincerely, Ken Fuchs <kfuchs at winternet.com> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list