I've heard the recommendation of grub many times on this list and it's inspired me several times to try to install it but I've been unsuccessful. I find the interface to be a nightmare even if it is more powerful. The fact that the 3rd question in the FAQ is incomprehensible to a newbie is a clue that there's a steep learning curve to getting to the point where you can use grub effectively. 3. Can I put Stage2 into a partition which is over 1024 cylinders? That's why I don't like grub. How about answering the question, "if I'm sitting at a grub prompt and there's this list of lines of what? Comamnds? Options? Kernels? (it doesn't say) What do I do?" It's not even in the FAQ. It's not presented in any step by step way in the docs either. You have to read to the bottom of the documentation to understand it. If my newbie admin is sitting at a boot prompt in lilo, I can tell them to type linux init=/bin/sh You can do SOMETHING. Grub? Help me out here.....where is that information? The lilo mini-HOWTO has (in this order) 1. a quick introduction, 2.background info and standard install, 2. 1 where should I install it? 2.2 how should i configure my ide hard drive and ..... 2.3 How Can I Interact at Boot Time? When you see the Lilo prompt, you can hit the <Tab> key to show the list of possible choices. If Lilo is not configured to be interactive, press and hold the <Alt> or <Shift> key before the ``LILO'' message appears. etc... I say don't recommend grub to newbies. lilo is better understood and better documented. Grub is for doing hard things. Installing it may be easy but using it is not. They clearly make the hard possible and the easy hard. I've composed a message like this many times and not sent it, but I just wanted it heard on this list that grub, for me, is confusing and hard, so if you find it confusing and hard, it might not be you -- it might be grub. -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker at tcfreenet.org On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > No offense, but perhaps you should avoid using obsolete software. > > install grub. (and if debian doesn't make that friendly enough, install > something that does) > > As for B, decent distributions configure X for you (automatically most > the time) during setup. > > On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 08:09:28AM -0600, Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > A couple of new Debian user questions: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list