No we didn't. But at the risk of starting a flamewar, I'd like to point out that the number of accident-related fatalities in Minnesota hasn't changed significantly in the last 20 years (since the advent of things like (picture Chris Farley here...) "seatbelt laws", and "crumple zones" and "a .06 legal limit"). It has changed, but not a big (forgive the pun) dent, like you would expect based on all of the safety requirements and advances that have supposedly happened. (Okay, don't get all mad here, I'm going on a rant, and lots of this is tongue-in-cheek) Sure, at 60mph head-on I wouldn't *mind* having a crumple zone and some airbags, but an injury accident is a game of mass, and the guy driving the '03 Civic with all of his sissy space-aged safety widgets, NASA plastic body, a 6" tailpipe, and a 400hp stereo in a 150hp car, is probably going to be much worse off than I would have been in my Exxon-Valdez (the Shaggin' Wagon's other name, it was a tanker, and it leaked oil). Carl knows what I'm talking about - he had that pimpin' 80's Caddy. I got comments from the guys at the Meth lab across the street for days after he stopped by in that beast. All the ladies want him, and all the crank addicts want to *be* him! Hell, the wagon HAD crumple zones...someone ran a red and drove into the rear quarter-panel (behind the rear tire), dented it in. Did I have to fly some Japanese guy to America with special tools and paint to fix it up? No! We took an 8-pound sledge and pounded that dent out. That rat-bastard fled the scene too. On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 10:44, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Adam Maloney wrote: > > > I don't remember any of the numbers, but the Caddy driver ended up > > calling the ambulance/coroner for the VW driver, who would have been > > catapulted 60+ feet through the windshield (assuming no seatbelt, no > > windshield). Made me feel a lot better about driving my (solid-frame, > > all-steel, full-sized, '89 Crown Vic) Shaggin' Wagon. > > yeah, but you would also have the meanest case of whiplash(sp?) in the > world. > > most people assume that cars are not build like they used to because cars > nowadays crumple when hit. It is true that they are not built like they > used to, they are in fact designed to crumple. think of the part that > crumples as the foam that protects the harddrive when the UPS guy is > chugging it into the back of his truck! > > bet you did not take that into account as you were making the > calculations _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list