Hey, the type of work is the choice you make when you go into the field. One can not legitimately complain about having to "control" the kids when it is and always has been a part of the job. That is not a rational argument for a teacher to make when justifying a pay schedule, as it is part of the job. The work is hard, fine. So is loading huge bags of rock salt onto a railroad car, or sorting potatos in an Osseo plant. A teacher does that work either because (s)he wants to or (s)he can. Supply and Demand economics will dictate what the work is worth to society, and to put in so few hours for the money listed below seems to appear a premium considering what kids are getting out of school these days IMHO. We are not graduating the quality of students that we used to and yet we are paying MUCH more for it. In most industries, the product [and supply of] will dictate the demand and thus the pay scale, but when public money is concerned, these rules don't apply in the normal way and things often get out of proportion before a problem is noticed. Well, the education problem is beginning to get noticed. When we start exporting our companies to other countries because they have better educated minds and lower taxes, you will see the affect that our lack of educational responsibility has cost us. Having said all that -- this is not the appropriate forum for this debate and it should be taken off list. Might I suggest the newsgroup mn.politics, or these days mn.general could be abused as well. Tom Veldhouse veldy at veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florin Iucha" <florin at iucha.net> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Kids and linux (was mklinux) WARNING WAY OT, Sorry I couldn't help it > On Thu, Jun 21, 2001 at 06:54:20AM -0500, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > > On Wednesday 20 June 2001 21:23, you wrote: > > > I'm sorry ahead of time but sometimes I just can't help myself. When I hear > > > someone talking about how underfunded the education system is I just can't > > > help it. > > > > > > > > > <WARNING BIG HONKIN RANT> > > > > > > If I can beleive what I hear on the radio Minnesota will spend between 7 > > > and 10 Billion (yeah that's a B) dollars on public education in the next > > <snipped> > > > > > > The average teacher makes $35K a year to start and after ten years can make > > > $70K a year, they have a 1200 hour work year. ( I bet you work over 2000 > > > hours in a year.) > > > > > > I wish I could be so underpaid. > > > > > > > > > </END OF BIG HONKIN RANT> > > > > > > Sorry, sorry, sorry. > > > > > > > > > Spencer J Sinn wrote: > > > > <COUNTER BIG HONKIN RANT Warning=Its got lots of numbers!> > > > [graciously snipped] > > > > </COUNTER BIG HONKIN RANT> > > There is a saying in Latin (sorry I couldn't remember it, my high-school Latin > kinda rusted) that translates (roughly to): > "The one who Gods hate, they made him a teacher" > > Have you had any teaching experience? I have taught some computer operating/ > word processing/excel number-munging to _school teachers_ for two weeks and > believe me, it was exhausting. > > My wife taught math for a couple of weeks to childrens in grades 5-8. > > Did you _ever_ had to control 20 kids? To silence them? To persuade them to > do _anything_? The attention span of a 6 year old is under 1 minute :) > > Look in the supermarket for parents who can barely control their own kid. > > When you say that teachers are overpaid you don't know what are you talking > about. > > It takes special (wo)man to be a teacher. I know I couldn't. > > [This message largely ignores the possibility to catch a bullet during the > work hours.] > > It's very easy to put dollar figures over the heads of a bunch of people: > we give $X for education, $Y for health, $Z for justice. > > It gets harder when you look at your slice: and your doctor says - sorry, > you are sick but you medical insurance covers a 10 minute visit and this > tylenol; and your local school says - sorry, for the budget we have we will > put your kids together with another 40 and watch them not to kick themselves > too hard. > > It's very tempting to judge someone else's shoes without trying them on. > > </rant> > > florin > > DISCLAIMER: I DON'T HAVE KIDS (YET) AND I CAN AFFORD DECENT MEDICAL INSURANCE. > > -- > > "you have moved your mouse, please reboot to make this change take effect" > > 41A9 2BDE 8E11 F1C5 87A6 03EE 34B3 E075 3B90 DFE4 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >