orbz.org. It's dead, Jim. It was announced a while ago on NANAE -- maybe two weeks? I didn't see the post right away and don't recall the date. The reason given was untenable bandwidth charges due to DoS attacks. I haven't seen anything to indicate that they're planning to return. When orbs.org went away some (or at least one) of the people providing secondary DNS got tired of queries and returned positive responses on all queries to try to get people to wake up and stop wasting their bandwidth. If you confirm that they are offline you may want to stop orbz queries ASAP. If you are still able to pull a zone from them I'd check to see if it has changed in the last week. There's a fairly comprehensive list of similar services listed at www.openrbl.org. You'll note that visi.com has one up and running. Their policies may not fit your objectives, but I can tell you that the guy running the list knows what he's doing. And there's always Vernon Schryver's DCC http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ - Mike. At 05:05 PM 12/16/01, you wrote: >Quoting Bill Layer (blayer at qwest.net): > > ... and now this is your post on drugs ... > > > > On ¬P´Á¤é, 16 ¤Q¤G¤ë 2001 05:27:24 > > xyz at simail.com wrote: > >I'm not sure how this got past the spam filters. I do know that for several >hours I was not able to rsync to ORBZ database. But that doesn't explain >how it >got past the only subscribers can post to the list logic.