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You can still use cloud services--at least some...
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I'm not sure what's on Android; I don't do iPhones.
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~ Steve ~


On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 07:15:05AM -0500, o1bigtenor wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote:
> 
> > >
> > > One of the things I have become quite anal about is my information being
> > > out of
> > > my control. This limits me to not using cloud services. For me - - - I
> > want
> > > no one
> > > else to own nor to control my information, this makes me quite reluctant
> > to
> > > even
> > > use web based services. I am finding that even this has a lot of
> > unattended
> > > difficulties!
> > >
> >
> > I understand. I empathize. I encourage your behaviour. You are doing it
> > right.
> > learn, and keep things under your control.
> >
> 
> Thank you for understanding - - - I have found quite a few 'computer'
> people who
> think I'm being silly - - - in other words - - - the cloud is great what
> are you worried
> about.
> 
> >
> >
> > OK, so skip the virtual server. Keep a box at home, and follow what I said
> > about forwarding ports (both 80 and the https one... 443 or something), and
> > directing CNAME nameserver entries at your domain registrant to point home.
> > Do all internal testing of Horde on your own, with /etc/hosts and the like.
> > But I can guarantee you that when your mailserver goes out and into
> > production,
> > you WILL have issues with its integrity, i.e. other mailservers will want
> > you
> > to have SMTP authentication, not be black- or gray-listed, and various
> > other
> > attributes.
> >
> > It will almost become a part-time job, and do budget for it in your
> > business
> > plan, that you will spend some of your time on IT-related crap that is
> > simply
> > imposed on you from the outside. (That is why IT is a big business.)
> >
> > Take LOTS of notes, and have a logbook for _everything_ that you do or
> > change
> > on hte system, with a date and time recorded. Thank me later.
> >
> 
> Have been trying to do the notes thing - - - it never seems to be enough
> and they
> need to be kept on paper because of course those notes are most needed when
> the
> system that they are on is sick itself - - - grin!
> 
> There are no plans on make the mailserver a real 'live' edition. At most
> this is going
> to be for internal use only. That should change things quite a bit. The
> whole information
> gathering sorting and storing is becoming a huge time pit. Yet it all needs
> doing - - -
> it doesn't help that I'm trying to do something hugely complex either. But
> then I've upped
> my skills in a number of areas already and am looking at a few more - - -
> partial
> differential equations anyone?
> 
> >
> > As for your other, business development related comments, you are welcome.
> > I
> > do understand that the regulators are always there to make things harder
> > for
> > you, but there is always a reason for it, and they are merely doing their
> > job.
> > Your job is to work within the (bureaucratic) framework that is there. It
> > is
> > good to have your own business and control your own fate. You are doing it
> > right. If it were not worth it, we would be living in a uber-socialist or a
> > presumably communist society. No... It pays to have your own business,
> > otherwise
> > private enterprise would not exist!
> >
> 
> The argument that the regulators are 'just doing their jobs' to me seems
> quite similar
> to the arguments presented in the Nuremberg trial in the late 1940s. There
> are no
> reasons to support mindlessly doing destructive practices.
> 
> It would seem, given the government's propensity for taxing the crap out of
> businesses
> that business is easy to do rather than the opposite. If only governments
> could realize
> that they themselves have now become the major impediment to the long term
> financial health of our nations!
> 
> Regards
> 
> Dee

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