it doesn't look like the rotary 4 way test i live my life by isn't showing
up. here is a link if you are interested.
http://www.rhhif.org/FourWayTest.cfm

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The 4-Way Test
> Of the things we think, say or do:
>
>
> Is it the TRUTH?
> Is it FAIR to all concerned?
> Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?
> Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ryan Coleman their website was down as i had talked to them on the phone
>> and they told me. you seem to be angry about something. would you care to
>> elaborate on your attack? you seem to be against the idea of a think tank.
>> before the internet i used to buy a case of beer and go to a mechanics shop
>> and learn how to swap out engines and such. so much more work than looking
>> on the internet. i have no desire to be anon. i merely suggest that people,
>> not everyone is like you, seem to care about privacy. i appreciate your
>> response, but i have to say you sound like you are being a dick and almost
>> sound ignorant of the ideas that i have. curious, what did you do before
>> the internet, where you a troll then too?
>>
>> I have spent several hours reading about and i can tell that there is so
>> much out there and in many different directions. my ideas are leading
>> me to some more ideas. open existence. a group similar to tclug to answer
>> questions from how to start a fire with 2 sticks to how to put
>> power back into the grid. i seen a man working in his garage and i
>> thought there is a man who can do something by himself without relying
>> someone else to do it for him. what if i had a disk full of free and
>> openly distributable information on how to make generator (a piece of
>> wire and a magnet isn't difficult to understand), how to farm, how to
>> build a $50 underground house , etc,; basically a disk full how to not
>> rely on the value or the dollar, while allowing you to put electric into
>> the local grid, food into the local area, mesh communication using
>> your existing radio/cell phone.  less big bank and more community. (yeah,
>> i pulled out the conspiracy theory card -ryan you
>> going to run with this?)
>> a group of people who care about community and people, when the power
>> goes out the local generators feed into the network. when
>> phones are out mesh keeps communications going.
>> Think like a Rotarian here people. not everyone is a recluse troll type,
>> many people want to go out of their homes and comfort zones
>> and communicate with like minded people and try and improve the lives of
>> people (rich/poor young/old am kindergarten/ pm kindergarten)
>> That is what research does to me. i think in terms of people, not money
>> or power.
>>
>> The 4-Way Test
>>
>> Of the things we think, say or do:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    1.
>>
>>    Is it the TRUTH?
>>    2.
>>
>>    Is it FAIR to all concerned?
>>    3.
>>
>>    Will it build GOODWILL and BETTER FRIENDSHIPS?
>>    4.
>>
>>    Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned?
>>
>> I am not against harsh answers, even though they discourage me from
>> trying to do good, i will play along though. i hope you (my tclug peers)
>> understand if i get a little rude at times when i am discouraged. my
>> apologies if i upset anyone. i will do my best to separate content with
>> paragraphs. i am putting random ideas on tclug. connect mesh with linux
>> here: http://project-byzantium.org/ connect tclug with community and
>> making the world a better place for everyone; read the threads, we do that
>> here.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> it wouldn't have to be anon i just assume that is a concern to people.
>>> granted i have a limited understanding of mesh, but that doesn't mean that
>>> it can't be imagined in a different light. the general idea is when you
>>> hook up and are given an ip address you could be given alerts. how you get
>>> these alerts and whether or not there is hardware on the node/router unit
>>> in your home is what the question is.
>>> lets say the sirens go off, yes the air raid sirens are our alert system
>>> out here, and the fire dept volunteers are up and running. lets say the
>>> sirens are out due to power loss.
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually that’s the case everywhere in this fine country. We just called
>>> them tornado sirens but they’re classified as “civilian alert sirens” but I
>>> digress. And if they are without power (because the required generator [2 I
>>> think?] is dead then they send someone to fix that and get it back up. When
>>> the CAS are without power that’s a liability for the county and they tend
>>> to give them first attention to get fixed which is why most municipalities
>>> test them more than the one day a month that Hennepin County tests them. I
>>> know Olmsted tests theirs every Wednesday morning with a growl test. I also
>>> know that Appleton, Wisconsin, fires theirs at 1pm every weekday. YMMV.
>>>
>>> the fireman have a node and it alerts them according to the sign in they
>>> used that had required them to choose which alerts to get or whether or not
>>> to get them at all. teacher is at school and ships out homework. a child at
>>> home receives alerts due to the sign in system which makes you choose which
>>> alerts to receive or whether to receive them at all. the city has a meeting
>>> and someone wants to watch but doesn't want the city hall people to know
>>> for whatever reason; idk there could be a reason to be anonymous.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t see how this analogy equates… text alerts are better one - the
>>> CAS are there for all to hear whether they want to or not. Sometimes
>>> they’re late, sometimes not.
>>>
>>> DYK you can opt out of the amber alerts and weather alerts on your cell
>>> phone? Ahyep. https://www.google.com/?q=opt%20out%20of%20amber%20al
>>> erts%20on%20mobile
>>>
>>> i am so busy right now that i am not doing my due diligence
>>>
>>>
>>> Paragraphs might help. :)
>>>
>>> but i don't want to forget a good idea or sit and think about a good
>>> idea when it is in reality not a good idea. as i wrap my head around this i
>>> realize that there is nothing written in stone, not all ideas are going to
>>> work, and that there is still much for me to learn.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want true anonymity either use TOR or GOML, unplug your computer,
>>> take the battery out of your smart phone and sell your car. This isn’t the
>>> 1850s anymore and we’ve had a long time to get used to the changes.
>>>
>>> School talk is taking most of my time right now. and this clover pos
>>> system. i did security research on it for a business out here. while i was
>>> trying to learn about it their website went down. i am like wow they can't
>>> handle html but they are providing a secure pos system? but mostly the
>>> school talk is my focus for the next week here. i will offer more sound
>>> (but still odd) ideas in the near future.
>>>
>>>
>>> You’d be amazed how often you think someone’s website is down and, in
>>> reality, your link to their host’s system is down. I don’t want a product
>>> that spends thousands of dollars a year on a website that glitters in the
>>> sunlight if they have a solid product and stand behind it.
>>>
>>> What did you do before we had internet? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 02:02:53PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > MESH networks do not have AP capabilities. They are nodes that are
>>>> designed to allow for self-healing and then, from there, you have your APs.
>>>> That’s the proper design, anything more complicated would probably either
>>>> fail in a short period of time or be very overwhelmed.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> What this person said.
>>>>
>>>> There is no need for anyone to have any more accounts... This is purely
>>>> an
>>>> access mechanism that is "self healing" (in lack of a better phrase).
>>>> And
>>>> there can certainly be limits that are put on access so that abuse is
>>>> kept
>>>> to a minimum.
>>>>
>>>> Accounts go with account/service providers. Use "twitter" for example
>>>> and
>>>> have the mesh be a medium. No?
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