rick e i love your story. i may not be native, never did the dna thing yet, and from what i understand there is no reason to be offended by anything you have said. reminds me of the story of hennipen ave you don't often hear. hennipen ave started out as a deer trail. when you hit uptown there used to be a lake there towards lyndale. the natives would follow the deer trail. it became a native trail at that point. eventually it turned into the road you see today complete with removed lake. natives have a tendency to kill themselves at an alarming rate. may of them inwardly dislike themselves and many hate the "invaders" and as i have spent 20 years immersed in this culture i can see many of the reasons why. we make them keep their AKC (american kennel club) type rating of 25% or they are no longer a member of THEIR tribe. to maintain the native status they must stay within their own tribe to keep it. there is financial devastation on most reservations, in the USA, and to stay on the land to keep their tribe alive is torment and trouble. it is failing and it has been failing for as far back as i can tell from what i have learned. i encourage all of you to look into this. nothing we can do (?) but it is important to understand. we tried to have a site to sell goods from the indigenous cultures so they can have income which is where the trouble all starts. lack of resources in a small chunk of land; not to mention that the leaders of these people are often like me and you with no help to understand how to even build infrastructure. Yes prior lake is close to the city so they get money from the casino, even with all that money you would be surprised how difficult it is to understand and build infrastructure on a small square when they are simply people like me and you. we would go reservation to reservation, ahhhhh.. it is hard for people who really don't want to ask for help to fully grasp what is expected from them in their respective gov positions, especially without resources. i am glad that the opening speech encouraged more conversation. i am going to work on a 3 ring folder now. may call some of the larger businesses in this state, and get some contacts for whomever wants, to call and verify that the apparantly invisible and illusive Linux actually exists and skills translate to jobs. translates to jobs is my main focus. no code lock is another problem that i wish to document. who knows anything about this EPIC system that the hospitals use. any one have any ammo to bash this including code lock; do they still use xp with those systems? ( i hope someday when i type xp and other wndows type things that people will be like WHAT? what is an xp..... On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote: > Maybe TCLUG and the Penguins can have a VR setup at next years Northern > Spark. > > Or better yet, see if a 3rd Thursday at MIA can have some "do crap with > open > source software" activity. Takes planning and volunteers (do not look at > me). > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20160826/964c6d36/attachment-0001.html>