-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As someone pursuing graduate studies in psychology, I concur with Eric on all points about speculating on people's health. Further, the diagnosis of a real disorder is not an excuse to abuse social norms nor a free pass to disrupt public or private spaces. People with these conditions are human beings who need to be treated with dignity and respect, but they also need to be held reasonably accountable for their actions. I also concur that events such as this demonstrate a need for active governance of the list. That said, I don't think that the correct response to people who clearly are having difficulty understanding the nature and purpose of a mailing list is simply to label them "troll" and hit the ban button. I would ask that whoever makes the decision about Paul (and anyone else for that matter) exercise a great deal of restraint and patience while at the same time protecting the integrity and purpose of the list. On 03/31/2014 07:01 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I have a B.A. in Psychology from the U of M, and I've been living > with a diagnosis for 7 years. I think I know enough. I at least > know enough to not speculate on others' health matters in public > forum. > > Also, "manic depression" is a term which was retired from use in > 1980, if my quick google search found an accurate result. And if > you were to discuss a person with influenza or cancer, you wouldn't > put quotation marks around those conditions, as if to say "so > called." > > I'm not going to discuss this anymore in this setting. I don't > think this group or this list should continue on without some kind > of governance, as we run the risk of hurting people who may be in > a vulnerable condition. We shouldn't just bandy about this kind of > nonsense. I respectfully ask that we bring this thread to a close > and wait on the list administrator to weigh in on the matter. > > Thanks, > > Erik > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:10 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> > wrote: >> Well, Erik, maybe you should learn more about it. Having a >> diagnosis doesn't mean you are the same as everyone else with >> that diagnosis. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> >>> Mike I have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I don't >>> appreciate you inference. I am able to control my behavior. >>> >>> Admin, please attend to my earlier request. >>> >>> Erik On Mar 30, 2014 8:35 PM, "Mike Miller" >>> <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Paul G-- >>>> >>>> Have you ever been diagnosed with "manic depression" or >>>> "bipolar disorder?" I'm just asking because sometimes people >>>> who have that kind of problem really mean the best and are >>>> trying to help, but they might not have as much money as they >>>> think they have. Sometimes they make big plans that they >>>> later regret -- like anyone, I suppose, but on a somewhat >>>> grander scale. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>>> >>>> Pardon me? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hope you realize a few things: >>>>> >>>>> 1) I have no clue what you’re talking about. 2) I don’t >>>>> work without a deposit without referral 3) I run a >>>>> photography wire service. 4) It’s March 5) It’s Mad (see >>>>> #4) 6) I’ve been busier this month than any other year >>>>> before. 7) What the heck are you talking about? 8) I don’t >>>>> program systems. 9) 1-8 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 5:05 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I was asking for the bottom of the barrel guy . MR. Ryan >>>>> Colman, never >>>>>> >>>>>> helped so now I pay. Direct Donation to Linux-Mint. You >>>>>> care about Mint ? I will give the cash to the so called >>>>>> 'bottom of the barrel guy' The money goes to: Ebenezer >>>>>> Enterprises >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:39:24 -0500 From: >>>>>> tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: >>>>>> Re: [tclug-list] C++ conference plans >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey you show me your $900 and I'll happily do stuff for >>>>>> MINT for a week. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014, paul g wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am buying a coder for Linux-Mint you got a problem? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________ >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:22:13 -0500 From: >>>>>>> chapinjeff at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] C++ conference plans >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What just happened here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:41 PM, paul g >>>>>>> <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote: Maybe you are scared to >>>>>>> work on the Linux-Mint project. You are needed to weed >>>>>>> through any C--- files and make Linux Mint the best. >>>>>>> 900.00 a week but you work for MINT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PJ 952-406-1430 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________ >>>>>>> From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:13:34 -0500 Subject: Re: >>>>>>> [tclug-list] C++ conference plans >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would you work for Linux-Mint? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________ >>>>>>> From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:05:39 -0500 Subject: Re: >>>>>>> [tclug-list] C++ conference plans >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would be able to provide transport. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ________________ >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:59:10 +0000 From: >>>>>>> woodbrian77 at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> Subject: [tclug-list] C++ conference plans >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm thinking about attending this C++ conference: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> cppcon.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> in Seattle this fall. If you are interested in >>>>>>> joining me on a road trip, let me know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is anyone going to cppnow.org ? If I were more >>>>>>> organized, I'd have signed up for that, but it sold out >>>>>>> faster than ever. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And I remain interested in a local C++ meeting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. >>>>>>> http://webEbenezer.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG >>>>>>> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - >>>>>>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - >>>>>>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - -- >>>>>>> Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, >>>>>>> UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba >>>>>>> Club Senator, NISG, retired >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG >>>>>>> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - >>>>>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG >>>>>> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >>>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTOYBPAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wmv8H/00zaOnXjw2QhcFAFLJEU06W pBHmP54mVkuOx052UtVykNgPfVkbfQDOha8/1u+2TUrg26zlqgTzch0EPgTeQlnG i7ZUN7ebupAy+uy4pKE6gdvqlLWDhH/SeNjfYfswKgCSXyPCywLjYq05KUUmu/HY T6/R/qQq1+UKrGo3WCHjQdLJxckOLa0FRoweS6d8FD3pmFuXqaXIqMCofiI2KdJC ge8jNVQ+4UGkC77qY8QkQBuQ+4/eEeyxGfaQp9iEpkj9uhJjKqxRT1Z0btmm414c 5yT2hULr0Lgvf/ePxyW2Q8nB4FFYwrSjiX6+1ZhT2oRBj5Kwh+nF50cPQ3d8T+w= =tCId -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----