Full Disclosure: IANAL and I have not read the TOS that comes with USI fiber business service. For serviceability’s sake I would recommend a different route… Build a wireless mesh (Firetide makes the best hardware and rated for our weather (-40º to 150ºF) but there’s Ubiquiti (dirt cheap, literally) and FluidMesh) because it’s a lot easier but then you’d have radios mounted. At least then you don’t have to worry about trenching and protecting. But if you do bury I would suggest doing it in conduit if possible. That way you can get the cable out if you need to instead of burying another line. And you’d be looking at direct burial CAT5e or CAT6 which can be about double the price of quality category 5/6 UTP. In 15 years of wiring I have learned you don’t go cheap on the structured cable. Drop me a line off-list if you’re interested in discussing either of these types of local interneting further. — Ryan > On Dec 30, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson <jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote: > > For that price, I'd bury CAT6 and hook the neigbors in who pay into a > pool. 10 gigabit coop :-) I suppose something that cool wouldn't be > legal, especially if Comcast or CL had a say in it :-/ > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > > > On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote: >> The thing is… $400/month for 10,000,000,000bps isn’t expensive. >> >> Paying $90/month for 50,000,000bps is by comparison. :) >> >> 20x the speed for 4.5x the price? My business would be all over it if 1) we >> had the income and 2) USI had fiber down our street (Lyndale in >> Kingfield/East Harriet) and 3) we owned the duplex. Renting is a bear. >> >> On Dec 30, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Jeff Jensen <jjensen at apache.org> wrote: >> >> A short article on this topic: >> http://www.sciencealert.com/a-us-suburb-just-got-the-fastest-internet-connection-in-the-world >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: >>> >>> Obviously no guarantees but it is likely 2016 will bring USI fiber to >>> Linden Hills, not probable for 2015. >>> >>> We plan to have 2015 coverage maps updated and posted in a week or two >>> most likely. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Ryan Coleman >>> Date:12/29/2014 4:24 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS >>> >>> Good information to know, thank you. >>> >>> When will Linden Hills be buried and lit, then? My brothers and I are >>> going to pay for the connection when it goes down my parents’ street and I’m >>> going to relocate my servers to their house, pay for the service and give >>> them access when the time comes. >>> >>> — >>> Ryan >>> >>> >>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: >>> >>> Well your assumptions have some faults in this case, eg no additional data >>> centers are needed. It is quite easy to string central offices together, >>> creating loops or daisy chains; USI is mostly looking to saturate the area >>> with new fiber. Switching gear is also not terribly expensive. I manage the >>> USI central office fttx gear for USI so I have a pretty clear understanding >>> of this particular case. Since it is all active ethernet it is one strand of >>> fiber per premises all the way back to the CO. There are no lease options >>> available in the configurations we need; every fiber we order is custom >>> built to our need. This minimizes waste. Greater than 99% of the fiber is >>> all underground which is more expensive but also less likely to become >>> damaged or affected by life going on above ground: vehicles, tree growth, >>> tree cutting, vandalism, etc. >>> >>> The fiber is mostly being built out more in Minneapolis right now but >>> plans are rolling to quickly accelerate deployment and expansion. We are >>> already looking into other cities in the area. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Ryan Coleman >>> Date:12/27/2014 12:20 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS >>> >>> The cost is from 3 years of experience pricing up fiber - I’ve worked for >>> low voltage installers since 2011. >>> >>> The point is there’s a massive cost to building those central office >>> switchers, both in materials and upkeep. If they have to lease existing >>> fiber that will be cheaper initially than owning your own lines but the ROI >>> would be well over 5-10 years, unless you have a lot of immediate signers. >>> >>> I don’t have a map handy for fiber optic paths but there isn’t a lot >>> available going south at the moment. There are no major data centers (that >>> I’m aware of) south of Bloomington (and the river) except for in Saint Paul >>> but that’s an easy jump to make. So… consider that a proper switching model >>> for MANs would require a datacenter or two, plus central offices, you can >>> easily see the cost for building them eclipsing $1MM. >>> >>> The most likely expansions will occur in Minnetonka where USI has a trunk >>> line already, and hopefully soon further into NE Minneapolis outside of the >>> Marcy area (they already have a number of condo and apartment buildings lit >>> today but not enough to make a big impact). >>> >>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ryan, can you share where you are getting all of your cost numbers and >>> number of years estimates from? Some of your figures are way off. >>> >>> Getting into the suburbs will not be too hard. USI uses the central office >>> model so the last mile fibers don't go very far. >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Ryan Coleman >>> Date:12/26/2014 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS >>> >>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: >>> >>> Ryan, >>> Where are you getting your odds from? And what do you mean by "outer >>> areas" exactly? Outside of the 494/694 loop? >>> >>> >>> In order to have this happen there are MANY working parts to consider: >>> >>> 1) USI needs to have trunk capabilities. And right of way. Major roads are >>> out of the question — Take a look at the coverage maps and see that Lyndale >>> is not the main run through South Minneapolis which means I can never get >>> fiber from them >>> >>> 2) To keep the cost low USI needs to own the fiber. In the suburbs your >>> best options today (and for many years to come) are owned by CenturyLink. I >>> can get USI fiber in the burbs with a CL primary for about 10x the price of >>> USI in Minneapolis. >>> >>> 3) The cost to bury fiber is about $100/foot if you cannot directly bury >>> the conduit. If you can dig and cover it’s about $10/foot (our termination >>> point was about 1,800 feet from the building). >>> >>> The benefits and profits do not outweigh the costs for the production. So >>> either USI leases cable from CenturyLink or Level3 - and that cost will be >>> passed on to the customers. In the city USI has already seen a positive >>> return and is likely going to turn a profit on the trenching in the next >>> 5-10 years, but going from a hub to, say, Burnsville? My commute to >>> Burnsville is 12 miles each day… If they have to use a DitchWitch™ the whole >>> way that could easily cost more than $5,000,000. Can they turn that + the >>> branch routes out of Burnsville in 10 years? Maybe, but that’s really a tall >>> order. Not to mention the capital cost of the hardware - these switches at >>> the distribution point are very expensive. >>> >>> There’s a reason the Minneapolis WiFi project took off and succeed as >>> quickly as it did: the general cost to product a pole node and connection >>> back to the hub was about $4500 each. A little more or less depending on the >>> link type (copper, fiber or radio) and then have a radio technician come >>> back after the hardware is installed and lit up (powered) to tweak any >>> settings if needed. >>> >>> — >>> Ryan >>> >>> >>> On 25.12.2014 14:02, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> >>> That’s 10GBE; We’ve had 1GBE in the city for almost 5 years now. >>> >>> Odds are the outer areas won’t get serviced simply due to cost - my last >>> job had a quote for $20,000 to get 1GBE service to our office in Cottage >>> Grove - and we had the school district literally across the highway. >>> >>> >>> — >>> Ryan >>> >>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the list: >>> >>> >>> http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27194397/u-s-internet-rolls-out-faster-service-minneapolis >>> >>> A while back I heard the story on MPR how Google fiber attracts >>> entrepreneurs springing up shops like the kcstartupvillage in KC. >>> >>> http://www.kcstartupvillage.org/ >>> >>> TBH, I am quite tired of Comcast and hoping the City of Burnsville/Dakota >>> County will get their act together and join the 21st century. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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