For that price, I'd bury CAT6 and hook the neigbors in who pay into a pool. 10 gigabit coop :-) I suppose something that cool wouldn't be legal, especially if Comcast or CL had a say in it :-/ -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote: > The thing is… $400/month for 10,000,000,000bps isn’t expensive. > > Paying $90/month for 50,000,000bps is by comparison. :) > > 20x the speed for 4.5x the price? My business would be all over it if 1) we > had the income and 2) USI had fiber down our street (Lyndale in > Kingfield/East Harriet) and 3) we owned the duplex. Renting is a bear. > > On Dec 30, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Jeff Jensen <jjensen at apache.org> wrote: > > A short article on this topic: > http://www.sciencealert.com/a-us-suburb-just-got-the-fastest-internet-connection-in-the-world > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: >> >> Obviously no guarantees but it is likely 2016 will bring USI fiber to >> Linden Hills, not probable for 2015. >> >> We plan to have 2015 coverage maps updated and posted in a week or two >> most likely. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Ryan Coleman >> Date:12/29/2014 4:24 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS >> >> Good information to know, thank you. >> >> When will Linden Hills be buried and lit, then? My brothers and I are >> going to pay for the connection when it goes down my parents’ street and I’m >> going to relocate my servers to their house, pay for the service and give >> them access when the time comes. >> >> — >> Ryan >> >> >> On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: >> >> Well your assumptions have some faults in this case, eg no additional data >> centers are needed. It is quite easy to string central offices together, >> creating loops or daisy chains; USI is mostly looking to saturate the area >> with new fiber. Switching gear is also not terribly expensive. I manage the >> USI central office fttx gear for USI so I have a pretty clear understanding >> of this particular case. Since it is all active ethernet it is one strand of >> fiber per premises all the way back to the CO. There are no lease options >> available in the configurations we need; every fiber we order is custom >> built to our need. This minimizes waste. Greater than 99% of the fiber is >> all underground which is more expensive but also less likely to become >> damaged or affected by life going on above ground: vehicles, tree growth, >> tree cutting, vandalism, etc. >> >> The fiber is mostly being built out more in Minneapolis right now but >> plans are rolling to quickly accelerate deployment and expansion. We are >> already looking into other cities in the area. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Ryan Coleman >> Date:12/27/2014 12:20 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS >> >> The cost is from 3 years of experience pricing up fiber - I’ve worked for >> low voltage installers since 2011. >> >> The point is there’s a massive cost to building those central office >> switchers, both in materials and upkeep. If they have to lease existing >> fiber that will be cheaper initially than owning your own lines but the ROI >> would be well over 5-10 years, unless you have a lot of immediate signers. >> >> I don’t have a map handy for fiber optic paths but there isn’t a lot >> available going south at the moment. There are no major data centers (that >> I’m aware of) south of Bloomington (and the river) except for in Saint Paul >> but that’s an easy jump to make. So… consider that a proper switching model >> for MANs would require a datacenter or two, plus central offices, you can >> easily see the cost for building them eclipsing $1MM. >> >> The most likely expansions will occur in Minnetonka where USI has a trunk >> line already, and hopefully soon further into NE Minneapolis outside of the >> Marcy area (they already have a number of condo and apartment buildings lit >> today but not enough to make a big impact). >> >> On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: >> >> Ryan, can you share where you are getting all of your cost numbers and >> number of years estimates from? Some of your figures are way off. >> >> Getting into the suburbs will not be too hard. USI uses the central office >> model so the last mile fibers don't go very far. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Ryan Coleman >> Date:12/26/2014 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS >> >> On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote: >> >> Ryan, >> Where are you getting your odds from? And what do you mean by "outer >> areas" exactly? Outside of the 494/694 loop? >> >> >> In order to have this happen there are MANY working parts to consider: >> >> 1) USI needs to have trunk capabilities. And right of way. Major roads are >> out of the question — Take a look at the coverage maps and see that Lyndale >> is not the main run through South Minneapolis which means I can never get >> fiber from them >> >> 2) To keep the cost low USI needs to own the fiber. In the suburbs your >> best options today (and for many years to come) are owned by CenturyLink. I >> can get USI fiber in the burbs with a CL primary for about 10x the price of >> USI in Minneapolis. >> >> 3) The cost to bury fiber is about $100/foot if you cannot directly bury >> the conduit. If you can dig and cover it’s about $10/foot (our termination >> point was about 1,800 feet from the building). >> >> The benefits and profits do not outweigh the costs for the production. So >> either USI leases cable from CenturyLink or Level3 - and that cost will be >> passed on to the customers. In the city USI has already seen a positive >> return and is likely going to turn a profit on the trenching in the next >> 5-10 years, but going from a hub to, say, Burnsville? My commute to >> Burnsville is 12 miles each day… If they have to use a DitchWitch™ the whole >> way that could easily cost more than $5,000,000. Can they turn that + the >> branch routes out of Burnsville in 10 years? Maybe, but that’s really a tall >> order. Not to mention the capital cost of the hardware - these switches at >> the distribution point are very expensive. >> >> There’s a reason the Minneapolis WiFi project took off and succeed as >> quickly as it did: the general cost to product a pole node and connection >> back to the hub was about $4500 each. A little more or less depending on the >> link type (copper, fiber or radio) and then have a radio technician come >> back after the hardware is installed and lit up (powered) to tweak any >> settings if needed. >> >> — >> Ryan >> >> >> On 25.12.2014 14:02, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> That’s 10GBE; We’ve had 1GBE in the city for almost 5 years now. >> >> Odds are the outer areas won’t get serviced simply due to cost - my last >> job had a quote for $20,000 to get 1GBE service to our office in Cottage >> Grove - and we had the school district literally across the highway. >> >> >> — >> Ryan >> >> On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the list: >> >> >> http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27194397/u-s-internet-rolls-out-faster-service-minneapolis >> >> A while back I heard the story on MPR how Google fiber attracts >> entrepreneurs springing up shops like the kcstartupvillage in KC. >> >> http://www.kcstartupvillage.org/ >> >> TBH, I am quite tired of Comcast and hoping the City of Burnsville/Dakota >> County will get their act together and join the 21st century. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >