For that price, I'd bury CAT6 and hook the neigbors in who pay into a
pool. 10 gigabit coop :-) I suppose something that cool wouldn't be
legal, especially if Comcast or CL had a say in it :-/
--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> The thing is… $400/month for 10,000,000,000bps isn’t expensive.
>
> Paying $90/month for 50,000,000bps is by comparison. :)
>
> 20x the speed for 4.5x the price? My business would be all over it if 1) we
> had the income and 2) USI had fiber down our street (Lyndale in
> Kingfield/East Harriet) and 3) we owned the duplex. Renting is a bear.
>
> On Dec 30, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Jeff Jensen <jjensen at apache.org> wrote:
>
> A short article on this topic:
> http://www.sciencealert.com/a-us-suburb-just-got-the-fastest-internet-connection-in-the-world
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>>
>> Obviously no guarantees but it is likely 2016 will bring USI fiber to
>> Linden Hills, not probable for 2015.
>>
>> We plan to have 2015 coverage maps updated and posted in a week or two
>> most likely.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Ryan Coleman
>> Date:12/29/2014 4:24 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS
>>
>> Good information to know, thank you.
>>
>> When will Linden Hills be buried and lit, then? My brothers and I are
>> going to pay for the connection when it goes down my parents’ street and I’m
>> going to relocate my servers to their house, pay for the service and give
>> them access when the time comes.
>>
>>>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well your assumptions have some faults in this case, eg no additional data
>> centers are needed. It is quite easy to string central offices together,
>> creating loops or daisy chains; USI is mostly looking to saturate the area
>> with new fiber. Switching gear is also not terribly expensive. I manage the
>> USI central office fttx gear for USI so I have a pretty clear understanding
>> of this particular case. Since it is all active ethernet it is one strand of
>> fiber per premises all the way back to the CO. There are no lease options
>> available in the configurations we need; every fiber we order is custom
>> built to our need. This minimizes waste. Greater than 99% of the fiber is
>> all underground which is more expensive but also less likely to become
>> damaged or affected by life going on above ground: vehicles, tree growth,
>> tree cutting, vandalism, etc.
>>
>> The fiber is mostly being built out more in Minneapolis right now but
>> plans are rolling to quickly accelerate deployment and expansion. We are
>> already looking into other cities in the area.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Ryan Coleman
>> Date:12/27/2014 12:20 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS
>>
>> The cost is from 3 years of experience pricing up fiber - I’ve worked for
>> low voltage installers since 2011.
>>
>> The point is there’s a massive cost to building those central office
>> switchers, both in materials and upkeep. If they have to lease existing
>> fiber that will be cheaper initially than owning your own lines but the ROI
>> would be well over 5-10 years, unless you have a lot of immediate signers.
>>
>> I don’t have a map handy for fiber optic paths but there isn’t a lot
>> available going south at the moment. There are no major data centers (that
>> I’m aware of) south of Bloomington (and the river) except for in Saint Paul
>> but that’s an easy jump to make. So… consider that a proper switching model
>> for MANs would require a datacenter or two, plus central offices, you can
>> easily see the cost for building them eclipsing $1MM.
>>
>> The most likely expansions will occur in Minnetonka where USI has a trunk
>> line already, and hopefully soon further into NE Minneapolis outside of the
>> Marcy area (they already have a number of condo and apartment buildings lit
>> today but not enough to make a big impact).
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ryan, can you share where you are getting all of your cost numbers and
>> number of years estimates from? Some of your figures are way off.
>>
>> Getting into the suburbs will not be too hard. USI uses the central office
>> model so the last mile fibers don't go very far.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Ryan Coleman
>> Date:12/26/2014 6:34 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Gigabit Internet in MPLS
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ryan,
>> Where are you getting your odds from? And what do you mean by "outer
>> areas" exactly? Outside of the 494/694 loop?
>>
>>
>> In order to have this happen there are MANY working parts to consider:
>>
>> 1) USI needs to have trunk capabilities. And right of way. Major roads are
>> out of the question — Take a look at the coverage maps and see that Lyndale
>> is not the main run through South Minneapolis which means I can never get
>> fiber from them
>>
>> 2) To keep the cost low USI needs to own the fiber. In the suburbs your
>> best options today (and for many years to come) are owned by CenturyLink. I
>> can get USI fiber in the burbs with a CL primary for about 10x the price of
>> USI in Minneapolis.
>>
>> 3) The cost to bury fiber is about $100/foot if you cannot directly bury
>> the conduit. If you can dig and cover it’s about $10/foot (our termination
>> point was about 1,800 feet from the building).
>>
>> The benefits and profits do not outweigh the costs for the production. So
>> either USI leases cable from CenturyLink or Level3 - and that cost will be
>> passed on to the customers. In the city USI has already seen a positive
>> return and is likely going to turn a profit on the trenching in the next
>> 5-10 years, but going from a hub to, say, Burnsville? My commute to
>> Burnsville is 12 miles each day… If they have to use a DitchWitch™ the whole
>> way that could easily cost more than $5,000,000. Can they turn that + the
>> branch routes out of Burnsville in 10 years? Maybe, but that’s really a tall
>> order. Not to mention the capital cost of the hardware - these switches at
>> the distribution point are very expensive.
>>
>> There’s a reason the Minneapolis WiFi project took off and succeed as
>> quickly as it did: the general cost to product a pole node and connection
>> back to the hub was about $4500 each. A little more or less depending on the
>> link type (copper, fiber or radio) and then have a radio technician come
>> back after the hardware is installed and lit up (powered) to tweak any
>> settings if needed.
>>
>>>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On 25.12.2014 14:02, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>> That’s 10GBE; We’ve had 1GBE in the city for almost 5 years now.
>>
>> Odds are the outer areas won’t get serviced simply due to cost - my last
>> job had a quote for $20,000 to get 1GBE service to our office in Cottage
>> Grove - and we had the school district literally across the highway.
>>
>>
>>>> Ryan
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am surprised this hasn't been mentioned on the list:
>>
>>
>> http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_27194397/u-s-internet-rolls-out-faster-service-minneapolis
>>
>> A while back I heard the story on MPR how Google fiber attracts
>> entrepreneurs springing up shops like the kcstartupvillage in KC.
>>
>> http://www.kcstartupvillage.org/
>>
>> TBH, I am quite tired of Comcast and hoping the City of Burnsville/Dakota
>> County will get their act together and join the 21st century.
>>
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