At my POE, we have a saying that "your brand is what you did when *dot dot dot*". Where the "dot dot dot" means "fill in the blank." We're saying this a lot at my POE, because we have some brand-repair to do. Microsoft also has to deal with the same reality with regard to their brand, and I would say they have more than enough power to improve the OEM experience for customers. If the general perception is that Windows is bloated, I would say that there's some validity to that. Maybe it's not directly Microsoft's fault, but too bad. That's business. They have a long standing relationship with their OEM's and it's within their power to improve customers' experience such that the perception of M$ products improves. Erik, I think it reflects on how tremendously fair and objective YOU are that you actually notice this about Windows 7. However, being a M$ user against my will for years, I feel I have a right to still feel jaded about how I've been treated as a customer and user. So my point is: I wouldn't go so far as to say that people are spreading misinformation. Rather, I'd say you've enlightened us with this bit of information. I think it's quite interesting. That is all. -Erik On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote: >> Ubuntu has now caught up with Windows in the bloatware department and can no longer make this claim. > > Recent versions of Windows (where recent = Windows 7+) do not bear out > your "bloatware" statement (unless you're including the crapware-laden > OEM installs of Windows that manufacturers ship on their machines). > > I run OSX as my primary OS, but use a Windows 7 VM extensively for AD > management, for running the VMware vSphere client, website testing in > IE, and a few other tasks. I have it running within VirtualBox with > 512 megs of ram. Yes, a half gig. I'll regularly have the VM running > for *weeks* between reboots with zero performance issues. Typically > the only time I reboot it is when VBox application updates come along. > If it weren't for VBox updates, the Win7 VM would likely stay running > until an OSX kernel (reboot required) update came along. > > I get it, we like to use Microsoft et. al. as our whipping boy. It's > fun to do - to a point. It does no one good, though, to spread > misinformation. > > Anyway, my usage of Ubuntu is primarily on the server side, and I find > it (especially the LTS versions) to be an excellent server OS. It can > be as "light" or "heavy" weight as you want it to be. You get the > benefits of a Debian-esque system, without having to jump through > hoops (a.k.a. backports repos) to get reasonably up-to-date packages. > > -Erik > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com