i am srictly on this list to provide comic relief.

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Samael <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:

> oh shoot, another unhappy customer...
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Dan Smith <dan.smith225 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> In regards to the VMware discussion thread that I started yesterday. I now
>> regret it.  Honestly it sounds like nobody on this list actually value's
>> older software.  VMware ESXi 3.5i is 32bit software that does not require
>> virtualization on a CPU with the VT extensions. Yes it would help in a
>> virtual environment, but is not required. And, FYI, there are two versions
>> of VMware ESXi 3.5 (32bit) and Vmware ESXi 4 (64bit only).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:10 AM, <tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> wrote:
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>>>   1. Re: Meeting (Robert Nesius)
>>>   2. Re: Meeting (Ryan Coleman)
>>>   3. Re: Meeting (Mike Miller)
>>>   4. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Elvedin Trnjanin)
>>>   5. Re: Meeting (Erik Mitchell)
>>>   6. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Tony Yarusso)
>>>   7. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi.
>>>      (Patrick "Finn" Robins)
>>>   8. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Chris Niesen)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:09:27 -0600
>>> From: Robert Nesius <nesius at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>>> Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St.
>>> Cloud area.  Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to
>>> get
>>> over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no
>>> path that wasn't completely stacked up.  Took me 45 minutes to get across
>>> Edina and Bloomington.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V <simmonsj at redkeep.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to
>>> > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul.
>>> >
>>> > Simmons
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:33:42 -0600
>>> From: Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot
>>> Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote:
>>>
>>> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St.
>>> Cloud area.  Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get
>>> over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no
>>> path that wasn't completely stacked up.  Took me 45 minutes to get across
>>> Edina and Bloomington.
>>> >
>>> > -Rob
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V <simmonsj at redkeep.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to
>>> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul.
>>> >
>>> > Simmons
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:03:26 -0600 (CST)
>>> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com <mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>>
>>> > You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot
>>> > Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes it's even better to get on the river road.  Take the West river
>>> road down to Franklin or Lake or Ford and cross over to the East.  From
>>> there you can get on Rt. 5.  You might only to 25 mph, but you won't hit
>>> any lights.  I've used it to get from the U to the airport at rush hour
>>> and it works great.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:08:59 -0600
>>> From: Elvedin Trnjanin <trnja001 at umn.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi.
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>> Cc: Dan Smith <dan.smith225 at gmail.com>
>>> Message-ID: <4D39310B.1000801 at umn.edu>
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>>> On 1/20/2011 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
>>> > Tclug,
>>> >
>>> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd
>>> > start here before having to make another user account in another
>>> > system somewhere...
>>> >
>>> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm
>>> > looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on
>>> it.
>>> ESXi supports less hardware than ESX. If you don't have licenses to
>>> spare, this means you're a bit out of luck and have to go with the free
>>> version which is only limited to ESXi.
>>> >
>>> > System Specs are as follows:
>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors
>>> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives.
>>> > 4gb's of ram
>>> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller.
>>> Generally the storage controller is most likely device not to be
>>> supported
>>> >
>>> > This is the faster of my two servers.  I also have a HP Netserver
>>> > LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster
>>> > server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's
>>> > to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v.
>>> You may be able to save some money by going with tower servers instead
>>> of rack mounted ones. Dell typically has great deals on them.
>>> >
>>> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware
>>> > ESX or ESXi product, please let me know.
>>> No experience with this server model, but you might want to look into
>>> ESX\ESXi version 2 although you may not be able to get licenses for it.
>>> Another option is the hosted VMware Server which runs in Windows or
>>> Linux as it will more likely support your hardware.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Dan
>>> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com <mailto:dan.smith225 at gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:55:05 -0600
>>> From: Erik Mitchell <erik.mitchell at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <AANLkTimmr+fH8vPKnC5iWCFTGkACOrDRW=Cm0f_bprfC at mail.gmail.com>
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>>> Robert,
>>> The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak
>>> to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south
>>> from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would
>>> think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville
>>> and SLP.
>>>
>>> -Erik
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius <nesius at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St.
>>> > Cloud area.? Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to
>>> get
>>> > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was
>>> no
>>> > path that wasn't completely stacked up.? Took me 45 minutes to get
>>> across
>>> > Edina and Bloomington.
>>> >
>>> > -Rob
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V <simmonsj at redkeep.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to
>>> >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul.
>>> >> Simmons
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
>>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com
>>> erik at ekmitchell.com
>>> http://ekmitchell.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:11:30 -0600
>>> From: Tony Yarusso <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi.
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <AANLkTi=k+_Bg1ZfTaR=nBu_nzTPTBZ9r4cmzR+ZizOg=@mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith <dan.smith225 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > System Specs are as follows:
>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors
>>>
>>> Running a virtualization system on a processor without the
>>> virtualization instruction set extensions will either be impossible or
>>> just woefully inadequate, depending on the type.  I'm not sure which
>>> type VMware ESX is, but either way I wouldn't expect this to work
>>> *well*, if at all.
>>>
>>>  - Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:32:57 -0600
>>> From: "Patrick \"Finn\" Robins" <13.finn at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi.
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <AANLkTinaAZL9AyjM2ZVEe+6hvBRCvZwSCLUyXuqOLKj2 at mail.gmail.com<AANLkTinaAZL9AyjM2ZVEe%2B6hvBRCvZwSCLUyXuqOLKj2 at mail.gmail.com>
>>> >
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>>>
>>> I have to second that. Virtualization on a CPU without the VT extensions
>>> is
>>> a big performance hit.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Patrick "Finn" Robins
>>>
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:30 -0600
>>> From: Chris Niesen <chris.niesen at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi.
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>> Message-ID:
>>>        <AANLkTimxe-Bbi0Gat1U6zw4Vg=ps4t=snYsA7qGMWiMi at mail.gmail.com>
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>>> ESXi requires a 64 bit processor.  Don't waste your time.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith <dan.smith225 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Tclug,
>>> >
>>> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd
>>> start
>>> > here before having to make another user account in another system
>>> > somewhere...
>>> >
>>> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm looking
>>> to
>>> > find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it.
>>> >
>>> > System Specs are as follows:
>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors
>>> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives.
>>> > 4gb's of ram
>>> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller.
>>> >
>>> > This is the faster of my two servers.  I also have a HP Netserver
>>> LP2000R
>>> > running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster server until
>>> I'm
>>> > able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's to run Hypervisor
>>> 4 or
>>> > have a enviroment to work with hyper-v.
>>> >
>>> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware ESX
>>> or
>>> > ESXi product, please let me know.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Dan
>>> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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