Ahh yeah, no dice.  Guess I'll have to keep my eyes peeled.

-Adam

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 03:40:35PM -0500, Donovan wrote:
> http://www.qwest.com/#offers
> 
> Put in your phone number and see if they offer you the 40Mb/20Mb service.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Adam Morris
> <adam.morris at redstargaming.net> wrote:
> > Excuse me if this was already mentioned, but I deleted a bunch of messages from this thread earlier.  Is there some way to find out if Qwest has VDSL in Eagan yet?
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 02:02:09PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >> Precisely. I'm not willing to pay for a service that isn't up to snuff because of their hardware needing an upgrade.
> >>
> >> Qwest's installation technician and customer support we're more than cooperative with this tech's findings.
> >>
> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Nate Carlson wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ahhh, got'cha - so that points to the issue being with Qwest.net getting
> >> > your traffic out of the area at a reasonable speed (if you get good speeds
> >> > from that link, assuming it's actually doing a speedtest and not just
> >> > looking at your account, it means that the chokepoint is behond that
> >> > point..)
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 19 Jul 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >> >> I ran this one: http://minneapolis.speedtest.qwest.net/
> >> >>
> >> >> Which was what the technician ran that gave me the 16Mbps speed. As you
> >> >> can see in the data block there is only one other test provider that got
> >> >> that high: auditmypc.com.
> >> >>
> >> >> Comcast speeds
> >> >> Site                               Down    Up
> >> >> Speedtest          22.01   2.66
> >> >> Speakeasy          5.10    2.62
> >> >> bandwidthpalce     12.23   2.35
> >> >> auditmypc          20.87   3.51
> >> >> internetfrog               5.09    1.53
> >> >> DSLreports         22.15   2.55
> >> >> toast.net                  4.56    NA
> >> >> visualware.com     9.37    2.58
> >> >> testinternetspeed  1.71    2.02
> >> >> whatsmyip.com      20.67   2.46
> >> >> AVG                        12.38   2.48
> >> >> Qwest SpeedTest
> >> >>                            24.89   2.505
> >> >> Diff                               -12.61  -0.25
> >> >>                            -50.6%  -0.99% speed loss.
> >> >>
> >> >> Qwest speeds
> >> >> Site                               Down    Up
> >> >> Speedtest          2.59    0.72
> >> >> Speakeasy          4.17    0.73
> >> >> bandwidthpalce     2.67    0.70
> >> >> auditmypc          18.26   0.76
> >> >> internetfrog               0.80    0.60
> >> >> DSLreports         2.88    0.69
> >> >> toast.net                  0.75    NA
> >> >> visualware.com     2.09    0.72
> >> >> testinternetspeed  1.88    0.70
> >> >> whatsmyip.com      6.62    0.71
> >> >> AVG                        4.27    0.70
> >> >> Qwest SpeedTest
> >> >>                            16.64   0.78
> >> >> Diff                               -12.37  -0.08
> >> >>                            -74.3%  -10.3% speed loss.
> >> >>
> >> >> I hope this is more legible for you guys...  I know the Comcast does "speed boost" bursting which can account for some of the fluctuation, but the DSL should be a steady, consistent speed.
> >> >>
> >> >> There was nothing else plugged into the DSL or Phone system except for the modem itself. It's not a perfect experiment - that would be a reboot of each system and waiting 30 minutes between tests, something that with 10 downloads to test would have taken days to complete.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Ryan
> >> >>
> >> >> P.S. Nate - I know about overhead, even giving them 30-35% just to be nice; I've been a network technician for years in Windows, Mac and various flavors of *nix for the last ten years, and I was an early adopter of DSL in 1999. This is more a showing people my experiences with their "FIOS" connection which is a false advertising lead, IMHO, and fails to inform the consumer that the upload speeds are NOT proportional to the download speed.
> >> >>
> >> >> P.P.S. I ran the internet connection at my "office" aka cafe I like and they get 38.23 Mbit down and 7 Mbit up. Consistently.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Nate Carlson wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> which speedtest engine is faulty?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The rates that the providers quote for speeds (for ADSL at least) are the
> >> >>> maximum rates that your line can sync up at. You may be sync'ing at that
> >> >>> speed, or at lower speeds (your DSL modem/router should be able to show
> >> >>> those stats.) Because of overheads, you will never get the exact speed
> >> >>> they advertise - it will be slightly lower.. if you read the fine print it
> >> >>> generally states that the speeds are maximum, not guaranteed, etc.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I do agree that it looks like you are getting horrible speeds with Qwest -
> >> >>> it could be a number of factors (ie, poor line conditions on your end, a
> >> >>> dslam without enough backhaul connectivity, oversold connectivty at
> >> >>> Qwest.net, etc); you could try a different ISP if you want to keep DSL
> >> >>> (since you are on an ADSL tier you can pick your ISP), which would
> >> >>> eliminate Qwest.net from the picture.. but from my view if you are happy
> >> >>> with cable then keep it!  :)
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >> >>>> All of this is BEYOND my point: Their speedtest engine is faulty. It
> >> >>>> claims speeds that it is *not* producing.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I checked my cable line and the DSL line against a number of other test
> >> >>>> providers, here are the results:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Speedtest        Speakeasy       bandwidthplace  auditmypc.com   internetfrog    DSLreports      toast.net       visualware.com  testinternetspeed       whatsmyip.com
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Down     Up      Down    Up      Down    Up      Down    Up      Down    Up      Down    Up      Down    Up      Down    Up      Down    Up      Down    Up
> >> >>>> Qwest    2.59    0.72    4.17    0.73    2.67    0.70    18.26   0.76    0.80    0.60    2.88    0.69    0.75
> >> >>>> 2.09     0.72    1.88    0.70    6.62    0.71
> >> >>>> Comcast  22.01   2.66    5.10    2.62    12.23   2.35    20.87   3.51    5.09    1.53    22.15   2.55    4.56
> >> >>>> 9.37     2.58    1.71    2.02    20.67   2.46
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> All speeds are reported in Megabits (Mbps), some are calculated from Kilobits per second.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>> Ryan
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Jul 17, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Nate Carlson wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Just a bit of clarification - 20mb/896kbps is *not* FIOS - Qwest
> >> >>>>> advertises this as "Fiber optic fast", but what it really means is that
> >> >>>>> they run fiber to the DSLAM that serves your line. 20mbit/896kbit is
> >> >>>>> ADSL2+.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Qwest does offer VDSL in certain parts of the metro, which is available at
> >> >>>>> speeds of 40mbit/20mbit, 40mbit/5mbit, and also adds a 5mbit upstream
> >> >>>>> option to 20mbit, 12mbit, and 7mbit tiers. If you got 896k upstream,
> >> >>>>> however, you are ADSL2+, not VDSL.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> As far as I know Qwest does not have any plans to roll out a real
> >> >>>>> fiber-to-the-home option - it's all fiber to the 'neighborhood' with
> >> >>>>> various technologies running over copper to deliver the service.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> (Of course, Qwest does offer fiber services to businesses, but it's quite
> >> >>>>> a bit more money than we're talking for DSL.. *grin*)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >> >>>>>> 20Mbit. Which comes with an unreported upload cap of 896Kbps.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> But I'm probably calling them on Monday to tell them to pick everything up and take it back; Ran my own speed test through speedtest.net and the reported download speed was 3.2-4.5 Mbps. Same website on my cable modem reported 25+ Mbps on download.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>> Ryan
> >> >>>>>> On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Donovan wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> I'll probably only end up cutting one of the two cable internet lines into my apartment...
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> 16Mbit download -- pretty nice
> >> >>>>>>>> 600Kbit upload -- not so nice
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Ran a speed test on our "public" cable line at home and got 30Mbit down and 3Mbit up.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Setting up a static IP on the Qwest website appears to be nearly impossible, that's a shock.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>>> Ryan
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> >>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> >>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Which package did you get?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>>> Donovan Niesen
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
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> >>
> >>
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> Donovan Niesen
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