Agreed - try Ubuntu. You'll be quite pleased.

-Erik

On 9/20/08, Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org> wrote:
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> Danny wrote:
>> If anyone out there can tell me how to install this new OS I would
>> appreciate it.
>> I put it in my drive and it did a bunch of scrolling in the verbose mode I
>> guess and
>> Came to a "root" command.....uh, then what? I wish Linux was easier to
>> install and use - it's
>> really frustrating when a regular guy can't figure something out and then
>> ya
>> have
>> to send a bunch of emails & hope someone will help you out.
>> Anyone?
>> DJ
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>    1. Re: OT: Health insurance (Curtis Griesel)
>>    2. Re: Server config management question (Sunny)
>>    3. Re: OT: Health insurance (Mike Miller)
>>    4. Re: OT: Health insurance (Shawn Fertch)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:01:03 -0500
>> From: "Curtis Griesel" <cwgriesel at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance
>> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> Message-ID:
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>> But auto insurance is heavily regulated by individual states, yet it is
>> very
>> easy to shop around and buy auto insurance from companies nationwide on
>> the
>> internet.
>>
>> There may be many reasons to end state regulation of health insurance, but
>> making it easy to shop for health insurance is not one of the reasons.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Dan Rue <drue at therub.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:08:12PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>> That could change if McCain becomes President:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the change would be good for someone, but I have the
>>>> impression that most people don't want to pay tax on their health
>> benefit.
>>> Egads, politics on tclug..  I'm not going to get sucked in, but just
>>> to clarify, from the link:
>>>
>>>  While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be
>>> anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That's  because
>>> the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable tax
>>> credit - $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family - to  be
>>> used "to help pay for your health care."
>>>
>>> So, i'm not an apologist, but to clarify the strategy here, as I
>>> understand it.  The idea is to move the burden of health insurance
>>> from an employer sponsored benefit to an individual family decision.
>>> The theory is that this will give employees more freedom to move
>>> around since they benefits aren't as important, and it will reduce a
>>> lot of employer overhead in terms of providing such benefits (esp for
>>> small business).
>>>
>>> Consider how auto insurance works.  Individuals can shop around and
>>> the policy that best fits their needs and budget, and they're not
>>> limited to what their employer offers.
>>>
>>> More from the article:
>>>
>>>  Yet another radical element of McCain's plan is his proposal to
>>> undermine state health insurance regulations by allowing consumers to
>>> buy insurance from sellers anywhere in the country. So a requirement
>>> in  one state that insurers cover, for example, vaccinations, or
>>> annual  physicals, or breast examinations, would essentially be
>> meaningless.
>>> So the author is showing his bias here.  Currently, each state has its
>>> own set of rules for who can sell insurance and what it has to provide.
>>> Insurance companies have to invest considerable resources for each
>>> state their in in order to meet all of the individual rules and
>> regulations.
>>> Again, like car insurance, the idea is to make health insurance more
>>> simple by removing the individual state regulations and allowing
>>> individual families to comparison shop for insurance nationally.
>>>
>>> Agree or disagree, it's thought provoking and worth debate (something
>>> lacking in the current political scene).
>>>
>>> Dan (I won't be following up, as we've veered way off topic)
>>>
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>> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:57:22 -0500
>> From: Sunny <sloncho at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server config management question
>> To: "TCLUG List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Jeff Nelson <stutterstutt at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Jon Schewe wrote:
>>>> You've still missed the problem. The problem is if someone changes
>>>> the server without putting the files in subversion.
>>> Not all problems can be solved with technology. I'll bet if someone
>>> forgets to put the changes in subversion and loses them, he will have
>>> a painful reminder not to do that again. He will either learn or he
>>> won't.
>>> If he doesn't you have choices.
>>>
>>> However, that being said, there is a way to do what you want.
>>>
>>> On each server, run a script to compare the files on the server with
>>> the  files in subversion. If there is a difference, yell, scream,
>> whatever.
>>> Email the entire group with the notice that someone goofed, complete
>>> with full details. (Peer pressure can be useful.)
>>>
>>> You can schedule this script to run whenever you want, depending on
>>> how long you are willing to risk non-detection.
>>>
>>> An optimization comes to mind: find only those server files that have
>>> been changed since the last script run and just compare those.
>>>
>>> I'll bet you could even figure out how to kick off this script as a
>>> pre-commit action so each time someone tries to commit a change, your
>>> script automatically runs. The commit is aborted if *any* file on
>>> *any* server is different. Now the person who wants to commit will
>>> have to stop and figure out what happened and why. (More peer pressure
>>> can be brought to bear.)
>>>
>>
>> Or, skip the post-commit step, and instead of running rsync, run scheduled
>> jobs on each server to check the svn log, see the latest update, compare
>> with the current date/time of the file on the server, and if the server's
>> version of the file is newer than the svn version, do not update, but ring
>> a
>> bell.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> --
>> Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)
>>
>> Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a
>> pile
>> of scrap.
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:22:52 -0500 (CDT)
>> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance
>> To: Dan Rue <drue at therub.org>
>> Cc: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Dan Rue wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:08:12PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>> That could change if McCain becomes President:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the change would be good for someone, but I have the
>>>> impression that most people don't want to pay tax on their health
>> benefit.
>>> Egads, politics on tclug..  I'm not going to get sucked in, but just
>>> to clarify, from the link:
>>>
>>>   While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be
>>>   anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That's
>>>   because the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable
>>>   tax credit - $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family - to
>>>   be used "to help pay for your health care."
>>>
>>> So, i'm not an apologist, but to clarify the strategy here, as I
>>> understand it.  The idea is to move the burden of health insurance
>>> from an employer sponsored benefit to an individual family decision.
>>> The theory is that this will give employees more freedom to move
>>> around since they benefits aren't as important, and it will reduce a
>>> lot of employer overhead in terms of providing such benefits (esp for
>>> small business).
>>
>> Yes, you quoted the article accurately.  The topic on this thread was how
>> to
>> get health insurance at a group rate without being a member of a group.
>> It sounds like the McCain plan would make it easier for people to choose
>> to
>> disaffiliate from the group, but how would the system deal with all these
>> free agents?  If unaffiliated people pay more for insurance, why would
>> people want to disaffiliate from their group?
>>
>> Don't employers get a group rate because they agree that every employee
>> will
>> be insured?  If so, won't the McCain plan undermine group insurance?
>>
>> That's one thing I don't understand about the proposed plan -- how
>> individuals can negotiate good rates when successful negotiation has
>> historically required a group (e.g., of employees) working together.
>>
>> By the way, I only care about the facts and will not stoop to advocating
>> for
>> one candidate or another on this list.  If the McCain plan is great for
>> most
>> people, fine, if it sucks for most people, fine.  I'm only on this topic
>> because it sounds like the plan will have a major effect on individuals
>> seeking health insurance.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:32:02 -0500
>> From: "Shawn Fertch" <sfertch at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance
>> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Mike Miller
>> <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>wrote:
>>
>>> Don't employers get a group rate because they agree that every
>>> employee will be insured?  If so, won't the McCain plan undermine group
>> insurance?
>>
>> Yes it will.  But, by the same token, companies are starting to change
>> their
>> insurance policies from traditional group plans to HSA plans.  This
>> removes
>> a high overhead on their part.  I know of at least one major company here
>> in
>> the Twin Cities to have done it.  Others are proposing it now and
>> implementing it in the next year.
>> While it gives freedom to the people on what company they can wish to go
>> with, it has a much deeper impact than just lower rates.  Many people are
>> ineligible for individual insurance through private carriers due to
>> pre-existing conditions.  Their options are to either go through a group
>> plan such as through a large company (themselves, or their spouse).  Or,
>> sign up with a state sanctioned health plan such as MCHA (Minnesota
>> Comprehensive Health Association http://www.mchamn.com ) which offers
>> lesser
>> insurance at a greater price.  The benefit is that you can not, or at
>> least
>> aren't supposed to be, denied coverage when all other options are
>> exhausted
>> with private companies.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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> My suggestion is to use distributions that cater to people who want
> something that just works, like Ubuntu, instead of distributions
> targeted at the do it yourself crowd like Sabayon and the distro it's
> based on, Gentoo.
>
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> Thanks,
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> Josh Paetzel
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