Agreed - try Ubuntu. You'll be quite pleased. -Erik On 9/20/08, Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Danny wrote: >> If anyone out there can tell me how to install this new OS I would >> appreciate it. >> I put it in my drive and it did a bunch of scrolling in the verbose mode I >> guess and >> Came to a "root" command.....uh, then what? I wish Linux was easier to >> install and use - it's >> really frustrating when a regular guy can't figure something out and then >> ya >> have >> to send a bunch of emails & hope someone will help you out. >> Anyone? >> DJ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of >> tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:00 PM >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 25 >> >> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than >> "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: OT: Health insurance (Curtis Griesel) >> 2. Re: Server config management question (Sunny) >> 3. Re: OT: Health insurance (Mike Miller) >> 4. Re: OT: Health insurance (Shawn Fertch) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:01:03 -0500 >> From: "Curtis Griesel" <cwgriesel at gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance >> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >> Message-ID: >> <7f246bf00809191201u69cb36d3g2497727d8e2eb3a4 at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> But auto insurance is heavily regulated by individual states, yet it is >> very >> easy to shop around and buy auto insurance from companies nationwide on >> the >> internet. >> >> There may be many reasons to end state regulation of health insurance, but >> making it easy to shop for health insurance is not one of the reasons. >> >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Dan Rue <drue at therub.org> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:08:12PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: >>>> That could change if McCain becomes President: >>>> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html >>>> >>>> I suppose the change would be good for someone, but I have the >>>> impression that most people don't want to pay tax on their health >> benefit. >>> Egads, politics on tclug.. I'm not going to get sucked in, but just >>> to clarify, from the link: >>> >>> While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be >>> anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That's because >>> the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable tax >>> credit - $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family - to be >>> used "to help pay for your health care." >>> >>> So, i'm not an apologist, but to clarify the strategy here, as I >>> understand it. The idea is to move the burden of health insurance >>> from an employer sponsored benefit to an individual family decision. >>> The theory is that this will give employees more freedom to move >>> around since they benefits aren't as important, and it will reduce a >>> lot of employer overhead in terms of providing such benefits (esp for >>> small business). >>> >>> Consider how auto insurance works. Individuals can shop around and >>> the policy that best fits their needs and budget, and they're not >>> limited to what their employer offers. >>> >>> More from the article: >>> >>> Yet another radical element of McCain's plan is his proposal to >>> undermine state health insurance regulations by allowing consumers to >>> buy insurance from sellers anywhere in the country. So a requirement >>> in one state that insurers cover, for example, vaccinations, or >>> annual physicals, or breast examinations, would essentially be >> meaningless. >>> So the author is showing his bias here. Currently, each state has its >>> own set of rules for who can sell insurance and what it has to provide. >>> Insurance companies have to invest considerable resources for each >>> state their in in order to meet all of the individual rules and >> regulations. >>> Again, like car insurance, the idea is to make health insurance more >>> simple by removing the individual state regulations and allowing >>> individual families to comparison shop for insurance nationally. >>> >>> Agree or disagree, it's thought provoking and worth debate (something >>> lacking in the current political scene). >>> >>> Dan (I won't be following up, as we've veered way off topic) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080919/a99d32 >> 91/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:57:22 -0500 >> From: Sunny <sloncho at gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server config management question >> To: "TCLUG List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >> Message-ID: >> <e7eeb230809191357x5e868b88re8f74418ad0c3836 at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Jeff Nelson <stutterstutt at comcast.net> >> wrote: >>> Jon Schewe wrote: >>>> You've still missed the problem. The problem is if someone changes >>>> the server without putting the files in subversion. >>> Not all problems can be solved with technology. I'll bet if someone >>> forgets to put the changes in subversion and loses them, he will have >>> a painful reminder not to do that again. He will either learn or he >>> won't. >>> If he doesn't you have choices. >>> >>> However, that being said, there is a way to do what you want. >>> >>> On each server, run a script to compare the files on the server with >>> the files in subversion. If there is a difference, yell, scream, >> whatever. >>> Email the entire group with the notice that someone goofed, complete >>> with full details. (Peer pressure can be useful.) >>> >>> You can schedule this script to run whenever you want, depending on >>> how long you are willing to risk non-detection. >>> >>> An optimization comes to mind: find only those server files that have >>> been changed since the last script run and just compare those. >>> >>> I'll bet you could even figure out how to kick off this script as a >>> pre-commit action so each time someone tries to commit a change, your >>> script automatically runs. The commit is aborted if *any* file on >>> *any* server is different. Now the person who wants to commit will >>> have to stop and figure out what happened and why. (More peer pressure >>> can be brought to bear.) >>> >> >> Or, skip the post-commit step, and instead of running rsync, run scheduled >> jobs on each server to check the svn log, see the latest update, compare >> with the current date/time of the file on the server, and if the server's >> version of the file is newer than the svn version, do not update, but ring >> a >> bell. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> -- >> Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) >> >> Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a >> pile >> of scrap. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:22:52 -0500 (CDT) >> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance >> To: Dan Rue <drue at therub.org> >> Cc: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0809191613200.19765 at taxa.epi.umn.edu> >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Dan Rue wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 04:08:12PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: >>>> That could change if McCain becomes President: >>>> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html >>>> >>>> I suppose the change would be good for someone, but I have the >>>> impression that most people don't want to pay tax on their health >> benefit. >>> Egads, politics on tclug.. I'm not going to get sucked in, but just >>> to clarify, from the link: >>> >>> While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be >>> anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That's >>> because the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable >>> tax credit - $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family - to >>> be used "to help pay for your health care." >>> >>> So, i'm not an apologist, but to clarify the strategy here, as I >>> understand it. The idea is to move the burden of health insurance >>> from an employer sponsored benefit to an individual family decision. >>> The theory is that this will give employees more freedom to move >>> around since they benefits aren't as important, and it will reduce a >>> lot of employer overhead in terms of providing such benefits (esp for >>> small business). >> >> Yes, you quoted the article accurately. The topic on this thread was how >> to >> get health insurance at a group rate without being a member of a group. >> It sounds like the McCain plan would make it easier for people to choose >> to >> disaffiliate from the group, but how would the system deal with all these >> free agents? If unaffiliated people pay more for insurance, why would >> people want to disaffiliate from their group? >> >> Don't employers get a group rate because they agree that every employee >> will >> be insured? If so, won't the McCain plan undermine group insurance? >> >> That's one thing I don't understand about the proposed plan -- how >> individuals can negotiate good rates when successful negotiation has >> historically required a group (e.g., of employees) working together. >> >> By the way, I only care about the facts and will not stoop to advocating >> for >> one candidate or another on this list. If the McCain plan is great for >> most >> people, fine, if it sucks for most people, fine. I'm only on this topic >> because it sounds like the plan will have a major effect on individuals >> seeking health insurance. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:32:02 -0500 >> From: "Shawn Fertch" <sfertch at gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Health insurance >> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> >> Message-ID: >> <67f3084a0809191732r3e796582j709ee7996e92c078 at mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Mike Miller >> <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>wrote: >> >>> Don't employers get a group rate because they agree that every >>> employee will be insured? If so, won't the McCain plan undermine group >> insurance? >> >> Yes it will. But, by the same token, companies are starting to change >> their >> insurance policies from traditional group plans to HSA plans. This >> removes >> a high overhead on their part. I know of at least one major company here >> in >> the Twin Cities to have done it. Others are proposing it now and >> implementing it in the next year. >> While it gives freedom to the people on what company they can wish to go >> with, it has a much deeper impact than just lower rates. Many people are >> ineligible for individual insurance through private carriers due to >> pre-existing conditions. Their options are to either go through a group >> plan such as through a large company (themselves, or their spouse). Or, >> sign up with a state sanctioned health plan such as MCHA (Minnesota >> Comprehensive Health Association http://www.mchamn.com ) which offers >> lesser >> insurance at a greater price. The benefit is that you can not, or at >> least >> aren't supposed to be, denied coverage when all other options are >> exhausted >> with private companies. >> >> >> >> -- >> -Shawn >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20080919/ee7004 >> 81/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 45, Issue 25 >> ****************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > My suggestion is to use distributions that cater to people who want > something that just works, like Ubuntu, instead of distributions > targeted at the do it yourself crowd like Sabayon and the distro it's > based on, Gentoo. > > - -- > Thanks, > > Josh Paetzel > > PGP: 8A48 EF36 5E9F 4EDA 5ABC 11B4 26F9 01F1 27AF AECB > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) > > iD8DBQFI1WW/JvkB8SevrssRAn4yAJ41MHoDy9FRZVPHVbkBTza0p/iIlwCgiE5p > vj+Dat97zZ+Jg8W3UfNq6EI= > =Td3B > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik Anderson http://andersonfam.org