I have used VMware only, but I can say it is a great program.  VMware has a
series of online seminars, though I am not sure if they are still doing
them.  I would recommend trying it, they  allow you to try it before you buy
it...

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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:00:32 -0500
> From: David Alanis <canito at dalan.us>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com>
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0 at mail.dalan.us>
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> Quoting Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com>:
>
> > Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware. More accurately, legally
> > Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware, but in the context of the
> > TCLUG list, the first statement is valid.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> > IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
> >
>
> What would be the constraint from asking such a legitimate question on
> a mailing list?
>
> Would running such search from the privacy of my home implicate me in any
> way?
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+run+MAC+OS+X+virtualbox+xen
>
> It doesn't really matter, I will refine my question:
>
> Would anyone like to share their experience which of the three
> applications (Virtualbox, xen, VMWare) renders the most options,
> optimization, user friendlyness, and performance?
>
> Hardware: HP DV9347cl
> OS:       Gentoo
>
> Thank you in advance,
> David
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:16:49 -0500
> From: "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
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> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00 PM, David Alanis <canito at dalan.us> wrote:
> >
> >  Would anyone like to share their experience which of the three
> >  applications (Virtualbox, xen, VMWare) renders the most options,
> >  optimization, user friendlyness, and performance?
>
> At work, I was called upon to set up a linux VPS system for our
> developers to use.  I ended up using UML (user mode linux) for the
> virtualization. With UML, you're limited to only using linux guests
> (as it requires a guest kernel patch), but that wasn't a problem in my
> case.  Thus far, I've been *very* happy with both the performance and
> stability of the UML system. I currently have eight guest instances
> running, ranging from 512MB->2048MB RAM and from 10G->200G disk.  Each
> of these servers has between 1 and 5 developers pounding on it at a
> time, and I have yet to hear any complaints on performance.
>
> The host OS is Gentoo, linux-2.6.20 (with the skas3 patch), running on
> a Dell PowerEdge 2970 (Dual AMD Opteron 2212s, 8GB RAM).
>
> At this point, I've just been using an ubuntu image for the guests,
> with linux-2.6.23.14 guest kernels.
>
> -Erik
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:29:15 -0500
> From: "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
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> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >  At work, I was called upon to set up a linux VPS system for our
> >  developers to use.  I ended up using UML (user mode linux) for the
> >  virtualization. With UML, you're limited to only using linux guests
> >  (as it requires a guest kernel patch), but that wasn't a problem in my
> >  case.  Thus far, I've been *very* happy with both the performance and
> >  stability of the UML system. I currently have eight guest instances
> >  running, ranging from 512MB->2048MB RAM and from 10G->200G disk.  Each
> >  of these servers has between 1 and 5 developers pounding on it at a
> >  time, and I have yet to hear any complaints on performance.
> >
> >  The host OS is Gentoo, linux-2.6.20 (with the skas3 patch), running on
> >  a Dell PowerEdge 2970 (Dual AMD Opteron 2212s, 8GB RAM).
> >
> >  At this point, I've just been using an ubuntu image for the guests,
> >  with linux-2.6.23.14 guest kernels.
>
> I should add - getting UML set up was pretty easy, but it's by no
> means a point-and-click deal like VMWare and/or Virtualbox.  As long
> as you're somewhat comfortable with the commandline and familiar with
> linux networking, it should be no problem.  I gave Xen a try before
> settling on UML, and found UML a lot more simple to get going.
>
> -erik
>
>
> --
> Erik Anderson
> http://andersonfam.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:30:02 -0500
> From: "Bruce Broecker" <Bruce.Broecker at toro.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??
> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Emon
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:12 AM
> >To: TCLUG Mailing List
> >Subject: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??
>
> >Hello everyone
>
> >I am trying to compile StarDict on my openSUSE10.3 (KDE desktop)
> machine
> >after failing to find a SUSE rpm for it.
>
> According to http://rpm.pbone.net there are stardict rpms in the base
> OpenSuSE distribution.
>
> See
> ftp.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/suse/<arch>/stardict-2.4.8-3
> 5.<arch>.rpm
>
> Where <arch> is your architecture, either i586 or x86_64
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:43:29 -0500
> From: "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: "David Alanis" <canito at dalan.us>, "TCLUG List"
>        <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM, David Alanis <canito at dalan.us> wrote:
> > Thank you Erik!
>
> You're welcome. If you choose to go with UML, feel free to send along
> any questions you have along the way.  There's a fairly active uml
> mailing list and irc channel available to you as well.
>
> -erik
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:20:13 -0500
> From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Robert Clements <rlbnd at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] help
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
> I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and ldap.
>  My administrator  samba password expire and I tried to change it in the
> windows prompt. It took but now I can not change the password with smbtools.
>  I can change the unix password just fine.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>
> Rob
>
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> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:38:07 +0530
> From: Deepan <codeshepherd at gmail.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] Sendmail configuration
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> Hi All,
> I am using sendmail via php mail function to send
> emails. However few servers reject my mails with
> the error 'Sender address rejected: Domain not
> found', since mails from my server are sent as
> email at localhost.localdomain. How do I change this
> to a valid domain name ? We only own a public IP.
> we dont really have a domain name, is it possible
> to use IP ?
> Regards
> Deepan
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:50:33 -0500 (CDT)
> From: admin at lctn.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] help
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
>
> I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and ldap. My
> administrator samba password expire and I tried to change it in the windows
> prompt. It took but now I can not change the password with smbtools. I can
> change the unix password just fine.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>
>
>
> smbpasswd?
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:32:08 -0600
> From: marc at e-skinner.net
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
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> I have been using XEN on Red Hat, CentOS and Fedora.  KVM is also very
> interesting as it is the new bleeding edge hypervisor in Fedora.  The
> new virtmanager in RH and CenOS 5.1 is very nice and lets you point'n
> click your way through intallations.  Command line is always there.
> KVM is now also available in Fedora as an option and looks to be the
> hypervisor of the future.
>
> I have seen a "hacked" version of OS X running in XEN - and yes, it is
> a NO-NO!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting David Alanis <canito at dalan.us>:
>
> > Good Day:
> >
> > I am running Gentoo on a HP DV9347cl series laptop and I would like to
> > run a few guest operating systems on top of Gentoo. I do not have much
> > experience and am seeking some advice.
> >
> > Currently using Virtualbox 1.5.4, I got Vista Business running without
> > any problems and it runs pretty smooth. However, Windows is not my
> > concern. I have an upcoming class based on MAC OS X and I would like
> > to attempt to take this class running a virtual machine, for
> > educational purposes!
> >
> > I gave Vista a significant amount of space (10G's) and 1G of memory.
> > My first question, is it necessary to give that much memory to a guest
> > OS (being that I will not be using it for complex movie editing)?
> >
> > I suppose my most significant question is which application works best
> > here, is it Virtualbox, xen, or VMWare? Now here is the catch, when I
> > tried running the OS X install it suddenly crashes and honestly I have
> > not had much time to look into this, assuming it can(t) be done? Is
> > anyone running OS X inside a virtual app? What was the hardest
> > challenge in doing so?
> >
> > I hope someone can provide some input.
> >
> > thanks in advanced!
> > David
> >
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