On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 at 10.31.12 -0600, Mike Miller wrote: >> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Sidney Cammeresi wrote: >>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 at 08.25.33 -0600, Mike Miller wrote: >>>> Treo 650 came out two years ago with Bluetooth (10/24/2004). Of >>>> course, 700p and 700w also have Bluetooth. If they'll just add WiFi, >>>> I'll buy one! Cellular service that includes a WiFi option is the >>>> latest craze (see snippet of NY Times article about T-Mobile below). >>> >>> Are not T-Mobile in the business of maintaining their own network? >>> >>> Count me out. I'm not subleasing my network to T-Mobile unless they're >>> going to pay me for providing Internet service to their company. >> >> Can you explain this? I don't know what you mean. The WiFi phone is >> supposed to work in Starbucks, some other places, and on your home WiFi >> network. > > Well there are two parts you get from a cellular operator: network > access and PSTN origination/termination. If I'm providing my own > network connection into T-Mobile and am not using T-Mobile's expensive > GSM network to carry my phone calls (of course, coming in over the > Internet has a non-zero cost), I should get a discount. You do get a discount: It is free to make wi-fi calls. This is what people like about it: You have so many anytime minutes but you can save on them by using wi-fi during business hours. You can also use it to get a better signal than cellular provides (e.g., in your basement). Here's some info: http://www.theonlyphoneyouneed.com/ >>> T-Mobile subscriber (again) even though GPRS sucks >> >> What problems do you have with GPRS? > > Low bandwidth[1] (c 60 Kbps), high latency[2] (c 500-1000 ms) compared > to other technologies like EV-DO. I sometimes confuse GPRS with GSM. Now I remember the difference. > The main good thing about GPRS is that T-Mobile are not totally and > utterly brain damaged when it comes to selling data services. That's too bad. No ev-do or 3G yet? Looks like it's in the works: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ZDM/story?id=2537247 Thanks for the update. I'll hold off on switching to t-mobile for another year or more. Mike