-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Fine. Take your mailing list and shove it. > > Anyone want to join me in another mailing list. One with fewer Nazis? Wow! If I were Jewish that last statement might be seen as offensive. Anyway, my response was terse and draconian. I should have taken more time to explain the response. I guess I haven't been to a tclug meeting lately. Anyone care to recall how I introduced myself in meetings in the past? :-) You can vent all you want on the mailing list about yahoo accounts. You can even fling mud with vague ethnic/religious insensitive comments. You can even rally members around great FOSS community words like Free or are you talking free? I have a pretty thick skin. Bottom line, I speak for the majority of the tclug community when I said "Denied". There was a very long debate on the block, a long running poll was put in place, and the community decided to block yahoo. The potential exclusion of tclug members (current and future) was throughly debated, alternatives ways of reading -and- posting suggested, which ultimately lead to the block. I hold the community line and enforce that decision. Hate me for it if you must, but it does related to how I introducted myself in past tclug meetings. :-) Since it took a majority of the community to vote the block in, I think it's only fair that a poll and community vote be used to remove the block. The logic seems, well logical, right? Now, here are my salvo's back... Let's talk about Free (speech) and free (beer, zero cost, none). - - You are Free to setup another mailing list and offer free access to it. What it will do is further fragment the community. Which is something the oldest members of this community work very hard at preventing. - - You are Free to branch the community. Competition is good. The strongest branch will survive, normally swallowing the lesser branch. Since 1999(?) tclug has been the strongest branch. I don't see this changing in the near future. - - Our community expects a spam-free mailing list, because of this expectation some Freedoms have to be lost. Don't like it, but it's the hard facts. - - You are Free to post (rant, scream) all you want on the list. It's also a Freedom the community grants. Heated words and firey discussions wake up the old-guard (see, you got me to post!). BUT this is a public forum, it's archived -and- available to the public. You post here, the message is "out there" forever. I encourage everyone to think of this last point. The community has also decided, that once posted, forever shall it remain in the archive. I've held that line with countless people trying to remove posts (OT: which does little, since google, wayback, etc crawls us nightly). With employers adding google/myspace/'net searches to their employment checks won't it be terrible to not get into a college because of your stupid postings at MySpace when you where 15? Or insensitive comments to a mailing list? Think about it! - - Since there are countless ways to read and post to this group without having using yahoo I think you'll not find much support for your rant. This community and FOSS in general reward people for flexible, innovative ideas. Be flexible try one of the other access methods. Finally, I'll add, gmane will let your Reply-To: be whatever email address you want, so you can still have your tclug posting be sent to your yahoo address. If you wish to further discuss this issue, please send me private email, I'll take some time away from reading the cliff notes on Mein Kampf to answer. - -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEoB3wfPGnCSzBsogRAsVrAJ4sWmzVQJERThkze+84zbSrsEXGcACePlw4 fLz5XgFFALg322mltfoYtME= =7kr7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----