Sorry for the off topic post but I remember reading a bit about this at some point and I'm fairly sure it was on this list. I'm getting a little sick of my $120/month phone bills and was thinking about going to Vonage to cut that back a bit. I seem to remember someone here posting that you can have Qwest DSL without having Qwest phone service, is that [still] true? Looking at my itemized bill from Qwest I have the following items... Digital Subscriber Line Res - $14.95 Qwest Choice DSL Dlx - $28.00 Caller ID - $6.95 Line-backer Inside Wire Repair Plan - $4.75 Voice Messaging - $6.95 Qwest.net Internet Services - $21.95 [Misc local fees] - $13.52 [Misc AT&T fees] - $10.79 [long distance tax and surcharge] - $1.82 If I dump Qwest other than for my DSL connection do I just pay the $28.00 Qwest DSL Dlx fee or do I still pay for the basic line fee too? Does Vonage have similar taxes and access charges to Qwest or are they truly $25/month out the door? Qwest.net doesn't do a thing for me as a service provider so continuing to pay $21.95/month for them seems silly, can someone recommend a good but cheap alternative for DSL access as an ISP? I really don't need anything but the other end of my connection. I don't care about static IPs, I don't need phone support, I don't need web server space, I don't even need a POP account. The only things I'd like are that they keep up with the 640kb I get from Qwest and that they don't cap total transfer bandwidth over any period of time (not that I really transfer that much but I don't want to have to worry about it). Vonage users, did you have to purchase any hardware to make the system work? Did the hardware they provide (if any) just plug right into your network hub/switch and run? Anything you wish you'd known ahead of time that you can pass on to a potential customer? Again, sorry for being off topic. Ben. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list