Have you seen the recent speed comparisons of java and c++, java is 
catching up and pulling ahead in some areas, even including jvm loading 
time.  see http://www.idiom.com/~zilla/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html and 
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5602.

second, what does speed have to do with if the language is good for 
learning cs?

Josh Close wrote:

>On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:21:39 -0500, Josh Trutwin
><josh at trutwins.homeip.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:58:38 -0500 (CDT)
>>Adam Maloney <adam at whee.org> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>The U's C++ programming class [for engineers/non-majors] used
>>>>Deitel & Deitel's C++ book.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Interesting - I was a CSci major, but never took C++.
>>>      
>>>
>>Back in my day (only about 10 years ago) we did C/C++.  I'm teaching
>>one of the beginning programming courses at Metrostate this year and
>>it's all in Java.  Cannot say for sure if I really agree with that or
>>not for teaching basic programming.
>>
>>Josh
>>    
>>
>
>
>I think java is a waste of time for csci. As a beginning programming
>course it could teach the fundamentals, but I've heard of schools
>wanting to switch from C++ to java for csci majors..... Java is just
>too slow..... I can't see it being used for much more than web
>applications IMHO.
>
>-Josh
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org
>Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>  
>


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org
Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list