Knoppix has an option to install to the hard drive. If you like it, why not use it? If you are going the Debian route, your best bet is the netinst image or the business card image from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ The business card has to download the base system...so I'd go with the netinst unless you really really just have to start installing now. Personally, I just finished backing up my Debian box and am going to get around to installing Ubuntu (http://www.ubuntulinux.org/) tomorrow (Maybe I'll make it to the install fest...maybe....). I setup a Ubuntu box at work and the installer is basically the same as Sarge. For a desktop box it works great, espically when you just stick to the ubuntu core (supported) packages. Unfortunatly, the main application for the work box was in Ubuntu Univers (Unsupported packages) and went all sig11 on me, so I went back to Sarge. Anyway, the experiince was that Ubuntu is very well done, it is Debian based, and if you're looking for a nice up to date desktop box I'd give it a shot. The download CD is a bit larger (full 700 mb ISO.) compared to the Debian netinstall CDs, so you're probally downloading more than you need, but I like the out of the box look and feel of ubuntu, and the inprovments of GNOME 2.8 over 2.4 are quite noticible. (Probally doesn't matter much if you're a KDE fan). -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list