Keep in mind, it's a Palm. I currently use a Treo 600. I've got 60 apps on it (including the stuff preinstalled.) I've still got 6mb free, and if I fill that I can delete a couple MP3s that I have loaded into the Palm's memory to use as phone ringers. I also have mutiple e-mail accounts setup on the thing, and there is probally a bit of browser cache in there. The internal memeory of the Treo is small compared to other handhelds, but Palm applications don't need that much memory as applications for say, Windows Mobile do. (Is anyone supprised?) Unlike a Windows Mobile computer, the screen on the Treo isn't well suited for web browsing. I'm sure the Treo 650 is better, but I didn't buy a Treo to surf the web. I bought it because I was tired of carrying my cell phone and my palm all the time. The Treo may be big for a phone, but it does take up less room than a Palm and a phone. ;) At best, the Treo 650 is an incremental upgrade over the 600. There isn't really much of a draw for Treo 600 users, unless you for some reason need a better built in camera (a gimic feature at best, I perfer my digital camara to any phone cam) or bluetooth. The removable battery is nice though. If the Treo 600's battery dies, you're pretty screwed unless your phone is still under warranty. Throw in some SD cards if you need extra storage. I've got one loaded up with mp3 and another loaded up with Audible files. ;) Who is your carrier Mike? I'm currently on my third Treo 600. The first one got dropped onto concrete, with predictible results (busted LCD). That was replaced by Sprint Equipment Replacment Program ($4 a month to protect a $650 device is worth every penny!). About 3 weeks ago the LCD on the replacment failed. I took it to the Sprint Store on France and the rep there promptly ordered me a new one. I'm not sure if the new one is a refurb or not. It didn't come in a retail box, but it looks brand spanking new. The Lock/Line replacment was obviously a referb unit. I was a bit disappointed that the screen couldn't hold out for a few more weeks before failing so I would have a chance at a Treo 650 replacment. ;) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us A password is like your underwear; Change it frequently, don't share it with others, and don't ask to borrow someone else's. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota Help beta test TCLUG's potential new home: http://plone.mn-linux.org Got pictures for TCLUG? Beta test http://plone.mn-linux.org/gallery tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list