Someone tip my roomie so he can pay me the money he owes me. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Dick [mailto:joel_cd at yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 11:30 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] Tipping (was: something else) > > > Interesting thoughts of course. I for one try to tip as much > as I think > the service was worth. Sometimes the problem is I get a server that > obviously doesn't care about what they're doing (no, these > are not servers > I have ever even come close to having contact with ever in > the past). It's > odd how often these people are at the places that (for your > "convenience") > tack on the tip to your bill automagically. That being the > case, I try to > avoid restaurants that do this like the plague. > > Yes, I know servers tend to rely on tips to make a decent > living, and I'm > fine with tipping if indeed the service is worth it. However, > I don't like > the idea that tipping is a means of insuring you don't get > intentionally > terrible service like someone spitting in your food or drink. > That to me > borders on extortion, or at the very least, giving the bully at school > your lunch money for fear of getting beat up. > > The only reason I would tip if I received poor service is if > it looks like > my server has been having a rough day. But if they blatantly, > and for no > good reason, give me poor service, the lack of a tip should > tell them they > need to be doing a better job, not to spit in my food the > next time they > see me. Otherwise, a tip is just an expectation, and if so, > just added to > the bill, forget about the service. > > Do I install a virus on a client's computer if I got treated poorly or > didn't feel they paid me enough the last time I worked for them? No. > > Sorry about the ranting, just tipping sometimes gets to me, > and how some > servers thingk they deserve a good tip, even if they're > slapping you in > the face. > > Best Regards, > Joel > > --- Dave Sherman <dsherman at real-time.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I haven't really been following the thread too closely, but > I noticed > > that few of you (of those messages which I read, and of those who > > actually chose to talk about it) have ever actually worked > in the food > > service biz. > > > > Well, I worked as a waiter for 10 years during and after > college. The > > restaurants don't matter, although they were here in the > cities. I want > > to bring up one really interesting point: lousy tippers are > remembered > > by waiters and waitresses. Not only that, but they warn > each other if > > one person knows something that the others haven't heard > about yet. Not > > only that, but groups are remembered even more than individuals. > > > > The situation of a group that tips poorly (regardless of some > > individuals being generous and others being cheap) will rapidly > > degenerate, because a server thinks, "Why should I bother > giving them > > good service if they're just going to stiff me anyway?" > Meanwhile, the > > cheapskates are pointing at the sub-par service to justify > their already > > > > low or non-existent tipping (even though it is likely that their > > cheapness is what inspired the poor service in the first > place). Those > > sitting on the fence, as it were, may very well be swayed by the > > cheapskates' argument, and lower their tip as well, further > adding to > > the degeneration of service. And those who tip 15% minimum, > more for > > better service, and less for poor service, end up getting > poor service > > even though they are perfectly willing to tip well for good service. > > > > Now let's throw another variable into this mess. What if you get a > > not-so-ethical server who already knows about a group or > individual? > > That person has no problem spitting in your drinks or food, > or dropping > > food on the floor and then just picking it up and serving > it to you. > > I've seen it done, and it happens a lot more to the > cheapskates than the > > > > generous folk. So from a purely selfish and pragmatic point > of view, it > > makes sense to tip well, in order to motivate your server > to give you > > not only good service, but clean food and drink. > > > > If I ever actually went to a beer meeting, I would do like > I've done at > > other group meetings: I personally hand the server my cash > tip, so he or > > > > she knows that *I* am generous, even if the rest of the > group isn't. > > And, in order to really make a distinction between myself > and the rest > > of the group, I usually give a 25-30% tip -- that covers at least a > > little bit of what is lost from those who don't tip or tip > poorly, and > > further cements the memory of my generosity in the waiter's > mind. The > > server will remember me in the future, and tell his > associates to give > > me good service even if they ignore the rest of the group. > > > > Just my three cents. I'll not saying anything more on this topic. > > -- > > Dave Sherman - MCSE, MCSA, CCNA > > > > Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, > > for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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