My uncle use to say "If you don't like his bedside manner, sleep with 
em, then you'll really know!" :-D

This is along the same line as "Don't criticize a man until you walk a 
mile in his moccasin's"  :-)

I've found my bedside manner with computers is sometimes best when I put 
myself in the other persons place first, then examine my response. 
Empathy is very important when helping people.  My being simple minded 
is a vast help as well. I've long given-up trying to know anything that 
could be construed as smart because I always find someone else that 
knows more then I do, I admit that doesn't take much. Sometimes they are 
so smart I let them do the job. ;-)

I've also found that working from the command line nets specific 
results. The same can't be applied when working with people, people are 
fragile.

<shameless plug ~ could be trolling ~>
This is Join Scouting Week and I have my Join Scouting Event tonight 
(Cub Scouts).  If you have a Son between the ages of 6 and 11 this is 
the week to find a Pack and get your Son in to Scouting.  I've camped 
with my Son 3 times this year and I expect to camp at least 2 more times 
before the end of 2003.  I helped him learn about shooting BB guns, 
sling shots, and nature, I'm having more fun now then when I was a Cub 
Scout!

http://www.joincubs.org   and have your zip code handy
    # I know, they look like they belong on South Park...

Now if your Son is over 11 it's Boy Scouts that you will need to find. I 
can help with that if you tell me the area where you live. I know a lot 
of Scout Masters from all over the Twin Cities.
</shameless plug>

YiS
Sam.


Tom Penney wrote:

>I totally agree with that. My problem is how I let his bedside manner
>affect me. If he would admit that there is more than one way to skin a
>cat, and that his way may not be the only right way, it wouldn't bother
>me so much. But as I said, thats _my_ problem.
>
>
>On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 13:04, Ryan Ware wrote:
>  
>
>>I think a lot of David's do it this way posts are because he has been
>>through it before and is trying to save you time and wasted effort.  I think
>>he is further along in Linux than 80% of the people on this list.  You might
>>not like his bedside manner, but that doesn't make him wrong.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From:	Tom Penney [SMTP:blots at visi.com]
>>>Sent:	Monday, September 15, 2003 12:53 PM
>>>To:	TCLUG
>>>Subject:	Re: [TCLUG] [OT] Trolling
>>>
>>>I've come to the conclusion that it is just his personality. The tone of
>>>his posts are annoying as hell to me. I have gone off on him as well. I
>>>know what you mean. 
>>>
>>>He has also posted some useful information as well and some genuine
>>>attempts to be helpful. I find it fascinating why some of his posts piss
>>>me off so much but I see that as my problem. He obviously is very bright
>>>and knows his stuff but there is something about his attitude that gets
>>>me riled. His "that sucks, this is better, your stupid if you don't see
>>>that" attitude is really childish but I think he really believes what he
>>>says to be true.
>>>
>>>my 2 cents.
>>>  
>>>
>>>On Mon, 2003-09-15 at 11:43, Jima wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>> I just thought I'd qualify my earlier claims regarding David Phillips 
>>>>with some references.
>>>>
>>>> It looks to me like he's been trolling at least once a month since May.
>>>>
>>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-May/056328.html
>>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-June/056807.html
>>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/057629.html
>>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-July/058134.html
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058615.html
>>>      
>>>
>>>> Chewie himself called him down for the last one:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058624.html
>>>      
>>>
>>>> David's response gave some references, though:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-August/058695.html
>>>      
>>>
>>>> And the most recent:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/2003-September/059530.h
>>>tml
>>>      
>>>
>>>> *shrug*  Just wanted to back up my accusations.  If anyone thinks I'm 
>>>>overreacting, feel free to flame me off-list.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>     Jima
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Tom Penney <blots at visi.com>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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