All your reasons backup my reasons. Moving jobs to other countries in order to lower what you pay to employee's in the U.S.A. Is that the right thing to do? World economy is a means for executives to lower the cost of producing the products. Do yo ever see the price of these products go lower anywhere? Where do the dollars of lower cost go? In to the pockets of the stock holders and who owns the most stock, executives. For every job that moves to another country, thats another person in the U.S. that goes on unemployment insurance, bankruptcy, broken family, or even suicide. The impact on the U.S. is not in the minds of the executives. We are looking at over 500,000 I/T jobs going to other countries by 2005. Sam. Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 09:20:39PM -0500, Sam MacDonald wrote: > > >>I disagree about the "long fruitless thread" thing. >> >>Do we tolerate the idea that people with the same skills we have get >>payed 1/5th what we get payed? >> >> > >I can think of a few reasons: > >1) High unemployment, this makes it more likely that you will be able to >find someone to work for less, with less turnover > >2) Maybe their products cost roughly 1/5th less there, have you looked >up the exchange rates lately? > >3) Maybe 1/5th is still a bundle there, and they're all getting rich >(in comparison to their neighbors) > > > >> Just because they are in India or Brazil? >>If we have a "World economy" why are the wages lower in India and Brazil? >>You need to understand that this is not about self center Americans/ >> >> > >Please, a world economy doesn't mean we're all using the same currency, and >that all products cost the same everywhere. Gasoline, for example, is regularly >over $2.00 on the east and west coast, while in say, Minnesota, or Texas, it's >usually around $1.30-$1.50 > >Sea food, on the other hand, is cheaper on the coast, and virtually unheard >of in Minnesota. (Kinda like air conditioning.. =) > > > >>This is about "right and wrong". >> >> > >If the people being employed in india/brazil/mexico/etc felt they were >being wronged, they wouldn't be begging american corporations to export jobs >to their countries. > > > >>This is about people who own large percentages of American corporations >>and the corporations they are sending the jobs to in other countries! >> >> > >Then stop bitching about how everything costs so much, and start paying >attention to what companies are parent companies of the products you buy. > >Against smoking? > >Stop buying the following, because they are ALL products of Altria, aka >Philip Morris. Boycotting a *single* company such as Philip Morris is insane >when you look at the diverse markets they're in. > >Source: http://www.altria.com/investors/annual_report/products/products01.asp > > >Refreshment Beverages > > * Capr > * Country Time > * Crystal Light > * Kool-Aid > * Tang > >Coffee > > * General Foods > International Coffees > * Gevalia > * Maxwell House > * Sanka > * Starbucks > * Yuban > >Desserts > > * Baker’s > * Balance Bar > * Breyers yogurt†> * Calumet > * Certo > * Cool Whip > * Dream Whip > * Ever-Fresh > * Handi-Snacks > * Jell-O > * Light n’ Lively lowfat > yogurt > * Sure-Jell > >Cereals > > * Alpha-Bits > * Banana Nut Crunch > * Blueberry Morning > * Bran Flakes > * Cinna-Cluster Raisin > Bran > * Cranberry Almond > Crunch > * Cream of Wheat > * Cream of Rice > * Fruit & Fibre > * Golden Crisp > * Grape-Nuts > * Great Grains > * Honey Bunches of Oats > * Honeycomb > * Oreo > * Pebbles > * Raisin Bran > * Shredded Wheat > * Toasties > * Waffle Crisp > > >ookies & Crackers ># Barnum’s Animals ># Better Cheddars ># Cheese Nips ># Chips Ahoy! ># Handi-Snacks ># Honey Maid ># Newtons ># Nilla ># Nutter Butter ># Oreo ># Premium ># Ritz ># SnackWell’s ># Stella D’Oro ># Teddy Grahams ># Triscuit ># Wheat Thins > >Snacks ># Cornnuts ># Planters nuts > >Pet Snacks ># Milk-Bone > >Confectionery ># Altoids ># Callard & Bowser** ># Creme Savers ># Fruit Snacks ># Gummi Savers ># Jet-Puffed > > * Kraft caramels > * Life Savers > * Milka > * Now and Later > * Terry’s > * Toblerone > * Trolli > >Cheese > > * Athenos > * Cheez Whiz > * Churny > * Cracker Barrel > * Deli Deluxe > * Easy Cheese > * Hoffman’s > * Kraft > * Philadelphia > * Polly-O > * Velveeta > >Dairy Products > > * Breakstones sour > cream, cottage cheese > * Knudsen sour cream, > cottage cheese > * Kraft dips > * Light n’ Lively lowfat > cottage cheese > >Meals > > * Its Pasta Anytime > * Kraft macaroni & cheese > and other dinners > * Minute > * Stove Top > * Taco Bell > * Velveeta shells & cheese > > Enhancers > * A.1. steak sauce, > marinades & > Worcestershire > * Bull's Eye > * Good Seasons > * Grey Poupon > * Kraft barbecue sauce, > mayonnaise, salad > dressings, mustard > * Miracle Whip > * Oven Fry > * Seven Seas > * Shake N Bake > > Oscar Mayer and Pizza > > Meats > * Louis Rich > * Louis Rich Carving Board > * Lunchables > * Oscar Mayer > > Meat Alternatives > * Boca > > > Pickles and Sauerkraut > * Claussen > > > Pizza > * California Pizza Ki > * DiGiorno > * Jacks > * Tombstone > > * Cerealitas > * Chips Ahoy! > * Club Social > * Lucky > * Oreo > * Pacific Soda > * Ritz > * Terrabusi > * Trakinas > > > Confectionery > * Alpen Gold > > * CÃOr > * Daim > * Figaro > * Freia > * Karuna > * Korona > * Lacta > * Life Savers > * Marabou > * Milka > * Poiana > * Pokrov > * Prince Polo > * Shot > * Sonho de Valsa > * Suchard > * Sugus > * Terrabusi > * Terrys > * Toblerone > >Salty Snacks > > * Estrella > * Maarud > * Planters > >Coffee > > * Blendy > * Carte Noire > * Dadak > * Gaouar > * Gevalia > * Grand´ Mère > * Kaffee HAG > * Jacobs Ebony > * Jacobs Krönung > * Jacobs Milea > * Jacobs Monarch > * Jacques Vabre > * Kenco > * Maxim > * Maxwell House > * Nabob > * Nova Brasilia > * Onko > * Saimaza > * Samar > * Splendid > > * Clight > * Fresh > * Frisco > * Kool-Aid > * Maguary > * Q-Refres-Ko > * Royal > * Tang > * Verao > > > Cheese > * Dairylea > * Eden > * El CaserÃo > * Invernizzi > * Kraft Cracker Barrel > * Kraft Lindenberger > * Kraft Singles > * Kraft Sottilette > * Mama Luise > * Philadelphia > * P'tit Québec > > > Grocery > * Birds > * Kraft ketchup > * Kraft mayonnaise > * Kraft peanut butter > * Kraft pourables > * Magic Moments > * Miracel Whip > * Royal > * Vegemite > > > Convenient Meals > * Dairylea Lunchables > * Kraft Delissio pizza > * Kraft Lunchables > * Kraft macaroni & cheese > and other dinners > * Mirácoli > * Simmenthal > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list