I thought I'd let this die, but I ran across these two links this morning that were so on the off-topic that I couldn't resist. The first is a report by the Fisher Center at Berkeley that takes a detailed look at the next wave of outsourcing. If nothing else it provides a lot of background reference for things like wages, number of jobs, etc. I was shocked to see that Canadian programmers only make an average of $28K US. Anyway its an interesting read. There is also an interview with one of the authors on Salon.com that is a little less dire. --rick http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/news/Research_Report_Fall_2003.pdf http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/11/05/outsourcing_report/index_np.html Chris Schumann wrote: >>From: Tom Penney <blots at visi.com> >>Subject: Re: [TCLUG] IBM and Redhat (and SuSE and Novell) >> >> > > > >>On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 11:18, Richard Hoffbeck wrote: >> >> >>>Get use to it. In a world with unrestricted capital flows, global wages >>>get equalized. >>> >>> > > > >>Absolutely! As it should be. If a job can get done for less it helps >>everybody. It Helps IBM be competitive. It helps the consumer pay less >>for higher quality. It helps the people overseas raise their wage closer >>to where it should be. It helps people like Sam to move on to a >>occupation worthy of his wage. >> >> > >I'm with you, Tom, unless there are artificial restrictions keeping >wages low or stopping the free trade. For instance, I can't go to >India and get a sweet $30/hr programming gig (which would probably >pay for a nice house with a staff) because I'm not allowed to work >there. > > > >>Argue for unions, argue that IBM is immoral and evil for sending jobs >>overseas all you like, I don't buy it. >> >> > >I'm all for unions, too, especially in underdeveloped economies where the >safety and health of minimum wage earners might not be the highest priority. > > > >>You'll never convince me or the corporate world to spend more >>to complete a job solely because it's the right thing to do. >> >> > >We don't have to. A lot of them do it already. It turns out it's usually >good for business too. > >Chris > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list