On 11/04 12:06 , Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > Debian is about force feeding you GNU, if that's true, why do they have the 'nonfree' repository? what about all the 3rd-party repositories for packages that don't come close to being free? like this one, straight from my sources.list: # w32 codecs, incl. quicktime deb http://marillat.free.fr unstable main > debian is about forcing you to take the hard path to prove your manhood, I fail to see what's so hard about using Debian. debian on the command-line is about as easy to use as RH on the command line; just that files are in different places (and IMHO, more sensible ones on Debian). Does Debian have many distro-specific GUI tools for system configuration? no; that's not their goal. they want to use generally-available, non-distro-specific tools, instead of wasting effort duplicating someone else's work. Besides, once you do without those tools for a while, you realize how much they end up hampering you in the long run. (tho they definitely have a good value for the new administrator). Does this conflict with the way some people think the world should work? yes. However, the beauty of Free software is that you can choose to go your own way. :) > debian is about making you either run > an out of date system (stable), a broken system (unstable), or an up to date > but probably broken system (testing). that's not an entirely inaccurate assesment; but that said, things usually don't stay broken for long in Unstable. > Yes, I'm sick of the sudden jump in debian zealotry, if you're using redhat > then you'll be fine with Fedora. probably. it's the simplest upgrade path, and hopefully the least painful... but I don't have full faith in the Fedora organization to *not* become another Debian, just with a different package format. (and a lot less maturity in their quality-control process, since they're newer). Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list