I agree 100% with Florin. Except the Lotus thing, Lotus is owned by ibm and I'm not to happy with ibm at the moment. I will never trust ibm again for any reason, I don't like Notes much any way. Security should be a personal choice, I'm sure some people like spam and pop-up adds. If you stop all of that *%$## $*#&% someone would be unhappy. ?-) <update> 8 people have left the account that I was on, sense I left, not one has been replace by a body in this country. ibm cares about the bottom line and thats all. Talk about off shoring being customer driven all you want to, at the end of the day we loose jobs in this country. </update> I was at a company in ST. Paul today most of the people doing the work are from central America and I have no problem with that. It's the jobs in China and India that hurt us. We get 0 tax revenue from the jobs in other countries. I bought a cell phone and service today, the sales person would not talk to 4 of the support people. She called back 5 times to get someone she could understand. She did this to make the transaction faster for me. I understand business wanting to have support cheaper. But in the end if the transaction leaves a bad impression on the customer. The business does not get return or add on business. Kind of like not leaving a tip... Sam Florin Iucha wrote: >On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 12:40:40PM -0600, rware at interplastic.com wrote: > > >>>computing. Given the track record - I don't trust Microsoft >>>to do the right >>>thing. >>> >>> >>I wouldn't trust them or any other single company. If this is to be done it >>needs to be industry driven by several companies. I don't think it will >> >> > >Lotus-Intel-Microsoft? > >Sony-Toshiba-IBM? > > > >>have any more traction than passport.net unless it comes from a large >>diverse group. >> >> > >I don't trust anybody to put my interests above their interests; heck, >I don't trust any company to put their long term interests above the >next couple of quarters "revenue" numbers... > >florin > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list