Nor is windows, solaris, hp-ux, aix, mac, ps2 (well maybe ps2 is :)) I didn't mean to start a flame fest. I hope I made some valid points and caused some self examination. A broader point is that to be taken seriously we should not denigrate the OS's and products of others. For the record I admin, windows, linux and solaris. Yes the linux and solaris take less of my time because they are more reliable, on the other hand, most of the functionality that our users notice or like come from the windows servers and cannot be easily replaced by another OS. > It is fairly obvious to all here what Ryan's opinion is, Linux > isn't > the solution for all problems.