I got mutt/exim working. :) Well, I can't send mail to myself, but I guess that's not a very important feature anyway. I want a mail notification program, and I'm looking for a dockable window maker app to do it. I tried omniBiff, which is supposed to also check my hotmail and yahoo mail so I thought that was neat. I can't get it to install though. So next I tried wmBiff. It's installed and it runs, but it appears to completely ignore my .wmbiffrc, so it only checks local mail and not my pop mail like I tried to set it up to do. So then I got wmmail. Same problem... it runs but it ignores my configuration. Does anyone have experience with any of these? What am I doing wrong? Thanks! Lorry