Ok, I've seen weird things happening lately as M$ continues there quest to own every mail server on the planet. I'm running Sendmail 8.9.3 (I know, upgrade, yes, I know) and every time I send to @msn.com, @hotmail.com, now @qwest.net, or any other MSN owned mail service sendmail freezes for awhile. Usually about 5 to 10 min. My e-mail client of choice, pine, sits on "Sending 0%" and then finally sends after I walk down to the vending machine and back a few times. Anyway, does anyone else have this problem? Will a sendmail upgrade fix it? I'm assuming it's a problem with the way sendmail negotiates its connection to MSN but I could be wrong, maybe it's PINE, maybe it's because I'm running RH instead of Debian, I dunno. Doing a ps shows that sendmail has its sockets open to the mail server ok so I think it's sendmail. -Brian