On Thursday 20 December 2001 09:10 am, you wrote: > If you think these things are bad today, you should have tried to do > this stuff under linux 5 years ago. Before SDL, DRI, and X4..... I appreciate the advice to get these things working. Yeah, I started with getting interested in Linux about 3 years ago and I would say at that time Bill Gates' assesment of it being a "fringe" operating system was pretty accurate. I appreciate how far it has come, but I am eager to have more developers jump on board to make it simpler for the average user. I hate it when friends shell out $150-$200 every couple of years to upgrade to a technologically inferior OS because of the convenience of a friendly interface. David -- *********************** "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." --Jim Elliot, Missionary to the Waorani