You didn't offend me at all until this message Jeremy. Just because I may not be on your "worth a shit" list, doesn't mean I or several others need to "get a grip". I'm a relative newbie to linux, and lurk on here learning quite a bit from time to time. This only made you sound as pathetic as the rest of the stupid emails over the last several days. And while I agree that a few people on here do need to "get a grip" (and we all know who they are I think), going to another mailing list won't get rid of emails like what we've all seen lately. I'm on 7 of them of various things (both linux and non-linux related), and they all have extreme out of place threads like this every so often. Think this is bad try getting on IRC for a length of time hehehe. And I think there are several more than 3 people on here that are "worth a shit". I've talked to several knowledgeable and kind folks on here, and seen several others helping other people. I don't think it's fair to judge the whole list because of a few people. And while I agree that trimming posts and things like that are nice for everybody, not everybody will automatically know or do it. For some this may be the first mailing list they've ever joined, and all the bitching and personal attacks won't help any. I just looked around the tclug site and saw nothing in the way of list etiquette or rules or anything of the like (at least not that I could find). Maybe if enough people are worried about this, someone should put together a list of general guidelines or rules of etiquette for the list (several lists do). Doug -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Wilson Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 7:12 PM To: MNlinux Subject: [TCLUG] Gripe session I would start this email with an apology to those of you i offended by placing multiple <.> at the end of sentences or thoughts. Although i find myself doing that quite often lately, when i'm trying to collect my thoughts, i am still sorry that it offended some of you. Now with that said, I would also like to say that those people who griped about a petty thing like that are the same reason i am leaving this mailing list and going elsewhere to get my Linux help. I find it rude and appulsive that a person would pick suck a petty thing to complain about. If you have nothing better to do with your time, except read a mailing list on email, in cyber-world and reply to it with pathetically rude and childish remarks you really need to obtain an application for your local community college, fill it out, and take some interpersonnal communication classes. These inexpensive classes will help you well, MAKE FRIENDS IN THE REAL WORLD, thus when people make a simple mistake in email, you will take it at that, a simple mistake, correct the person <nicely> and go on in your life without ever thinking twice about it. For those of you who helped me while on this mailing list I am very thankful for your help and would ask that the help continue in private emails. Below is a list of the people who are worth a shit from this mailing list, the rest of you need to get a grip Mike Hicks Rodd Ahrenstorff K Hinze <<< SCANMAN >>> you need to find a signifigant other, whether that is human or otherwise, i think the rest of the people on this mailing list would appreciate it thankyou JW _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list