On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 08:41, Petre Scheie wrote: > I disagree with your statement. The answer may be obvious to you (the > links at the bottom of the > messages), how to solve the problem may be obvious to you (use google to > get to the > TCLUG website), but for whatever reason, it wasn't obvious to uak or the > question wouldn't > have been raised. And uak was trying to do some sort of research by > investigating the > archives, so it's not like there was no initiative. Yes, yes, you're a good person. Let it go, take a breath. Besides at this point, I've given up making a point and am enjoying pulling your strings. You are a good source of entertainment. Thanks for playing. > > Many people are just starting to investigate linux. One suggestion they > hear repeatedly is that if you need help, check out the local LUG. Keep > in mind, many (most?) of these people don't know how mailing lists work, > don't really understand how LUGs operate; they're not stupid, they just > have limited experience in this kind of online environment. So someone > asks a question, and they're told they should feel shame for even asking. > That person comes away feeling put off by 'those linux snobs', which is > not what we want. > > What's wrong with people asking obvious questions? If you think it's a > dumb question, DON'T ANSWER IT! But don't insult people who are just > asking for help. > > [OT tangent]: Teaching kids how to use computers shouldn't mean just > teaching them Excel or StarOffice or any particular app, or even word > processsing in general. It should be about teaching them how to access > and utilize resources like the web, mailing lists & archives, and > generally about how to hunt down info. One of the things I've noticed in > moving to open source solutions over the years is that I don't pay much > attention to ads for commercial software any more. And I suspect many > linux users are the same. In contrast, MS users are accustomed to > solving problems by relying on ads they see for commercial products. > They're used to buying MS's stuff, and so, without even thinking about it > really, approach all other computer problems with a "What can I buy to > solve this problem" attitude. It never even occurs to them to look for a > free alternative. > [/tangent] > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > On 12/5/01, 6:55:53 PM, Ben Lutgens <blutgens at sistina.com> wrote regarding > Re: [TCLUG] archived threads: > > > > On Wed, 2001-12-05 at 16:43, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > > If you think I am idiot, keep it to yourself, I don't need to hear > > it. > > > > > > > > > uak > > > > > > > > I don't think insulting someone for asking a question is 'welcoming' > > and > > > > neither did uak apparently. > > > > Perhaps he meant it as humor but I don't think it comes across that > > way. > > > oh well. I didn't directly call the person who wrote this question an > > idiot but as they say "If the shoe fits...." > > > All I said was that the person should feel shame. Does anyone disagree > > with that statement? Who else was thinking it? > > > Oh and to further add insult to injury.... > > > Go to http://www.google.com and type "twin cities linux user group" in > > the search box. The TOP link is http://www.mn-linux.org if you click > > that link you get *GASP* the LUG website which CLEARLY has links to the > > mailing lists and thier archives. > > > Was asking a crime? No. But will said person think twice and perhaps > > exercise a little reason and conduct some research before posting a > > question that they (admittedly) knew was not exactly a tough one to > > answer.... > > > > > I read that sentence over and over again and I can't see the insulting > > > part in it. She said herself she was asking the question even though > > > it might have been answered 300 times on the list before. And in fact > > > it had been since Bob changed the list signature to have all the nice > > > info in it. > > > Don't defend me Thom, let em whine. > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens > > System Administrator > > Sistina Software Inc. > > > "If you love someone, set them free. If they come home, set them on > > fire." > > - George Carlin > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Sistina Software Inc. Kernel panic: I have no root and I want to scream -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20011206/768ba29d/attachment.pgp