You are way over my head, technically. But this group (TCLUG) is full of experts. But I do know ATT is not stupid. They have given you their defense for what you have discovered. And you have discovered they filter internet access; for whatever reason, to whatever degree. My hat's off to you. A recent posting discussed the possibility that M$ was allowing viruses and worms in their OS. This, in order to justify trying to supplant TCP/IP with a proprietary internet system. Such might be the case here. A little cynicism is very healthy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 8/19/01, 6:48:05 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote regarding Re Re [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites at 3.sdm.sdm: > Yes, that's what they said, clearly not understanding the problem. Here's the > quote > --start quote-- > Thank you for writing AT&T BroadBand Cable Internet Services regarding > the Internet service and Port 80. I apologize for any inconvenience > which you have experienced with our filter on Port 80. > NOTE: We do not block your access to sites such as www.yahoo.com or any > others. > It has been confirmed that a block will remain in effect (for reasons > related to the Code Red worm) until AT&T BroadBand feels it is safe to > remove it. This has been done to protect the network and we have no way > of removing it or getting it removed, at this point in time. > Please refer to the following section of the Terms and Conditions which > are applicable to this issue: > Section 10.9 You agree that AT&T and ServiceCo shall each have the right > to take any action that either AT&T or ServiceCo deems appropriate to > protect the Road Runner Service, its facilities and equipment. > --end quote-- > This shows they're filtering inbound traffic, but (supposedly) not outbound > traffic. > After this message I sent back a clear example where I explain telnetting to > port 80 to check the connection. After that I got back a message that they're > looking into the matter, which is probably the best response I've gotten out > of them all weekend. Now we'll see if they really are looking into it. > Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> writes: > > Please be more clear. Did AT&T say to you (in essence), "We're filtering > > access to port 80, that's why its not working??" (FYI I am NOT a lawyer.) > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > > > On 8/18/01, 10:03:54 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote regarding Re > > [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites at 3.sdm: > > > > > > > Well I wrote AT&T "tech support" last night. I've actually gotten a > > couple of > > > messages back. First one is the standard, reinstall TCP drivers. Wrote > > back > > > that won't make a difference, I can connecto to SOME sites. So they ask > > for > > > traceroutes to the sites, I don't think this will help, but it at least > > shows > > > a little more knowledge. So I send them along. I get back, we're > > filtering > > > access to port 80, that's why it's not working. Man are some people just > > > stupid or what? > > > > > -- > > > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe at mtu.net > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > tclug-list mailing list > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > tclug-list mailing list > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe | jpschewe at mtu.net > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list