Perhaps they use inline http proxy (Squid and SquidGuard). This is a "BadThing" from the customer point of view, well the techie type anyway. You can have all sorts of cache problems when visiting sites that frequently change or are dynamic based upon state data. Tom Veldhouse veldy at veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Kline" <list at slushpupie.com> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: RE: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > There are some ISPs out there that have a service to block porn before it gets to > your computer. Since they do it at a sever level (or router, Im not sure how they > do it) there is no way to disable it from your computer, and is not software > specific. Since you must request (and pay for) this service. Would they still > maintain a "common carrier" status? > > > Jay > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-admin at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Michael Fraase > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:00 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > > > Nope, I'm talking about *any* ISP blocking access to certain IP > addresses or IP blocks. They all have consistently and collectively used > the argument that they are "common carriers" not "publishers." A > position I agree with, in general. And, the argument goes, since they're > required to carry the traffic of all comers they're not responsible for > any of it. When they start limiting access to specific addresses or > blocks of addresses, a cogent argument could be made that they've given > up their "common carrier" status. > > -- > Michael Fraase > ARTS & FARCES LLC > mfraase at farces.com > www.farces.com > PGP Fingerprint: > 3D85 F3F4 9E65 4949 176A 260C CB47 190D C864 9A96 > > > -----Original Message----- > > Message: 17 > > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:13:15 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > From: Mike Paulsen <mpaulsen at charter.net> > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] AT&T filtering sites?.sdm > > Reply-To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > ATT the telco is not the same as ATT the ISP. ISPs are > > "enhanced service > > providers" and do not enjoy the benefits nor suffer the > > regulatory burdens > > which come with common carrier status.* > > > > ATT (the telco) is required to give ISPs access to the > > telephone lines. ATT > > (the ISP) is considered an end user just like any other ISP. > > > > *That's not entirely true, as they do enjoy some of the same > > benefits (and > > possibly burdens) as common carriers under things like the DMCA. > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >