My apache config (httpd.conf) has gotten too big with all the virtual host files, so I decided to put them in a separate file, and put the line Include conf/vhosts.conf at the end. I did this, and now I cannot start apache. When I try, I get the error: ./bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started and returns with exit status 1. There is no error in any log files, and running apachectl configtest says the syntax is ok. I tried to comment out the Include line, then cat vhosts.conf >> httpd.conf but that dosnt change anything. Any other ideas? Has anyone seen this before? Jay -- Jay Kline list at slushpupie.com http://www.slushpupie.com/