On Apr 28, 2001 Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom said something like: > so what do people like, for jostick models out there? I'm pretty picky about > how ergonomic the button layout is; and it better work *completely* under > linux; but I have virtually no experience with them. I like the Saitek Cyborg 3d (now the Cyborg 3D Gold Stick) mostly because of the stick-twist roll control for simulator games and it fairly comfortable to use and easily adjustable: http://www.saitekusa.com/product/joy.htm According to this page about the LID Project, it is fully supported; although I have not tried it. http://www.suse.cz/development/input/ ____________________________ Mike Neuharth ADCS Technology Specialist http://www.umn.edu/adcs E-Mail : mjn at umn.edu Page Mail : 6126486512 at page.metrocall.com http://supermonkeycollider.dyndns.org/ ____________________________