Well, it's true that there isn't any hardware YET that is going to support it, but apparently the Archos (http://www.archos.com) mp3 player will support it, and you can buy it at Microcenter. And I found something awhile back which was a CD changer replacement, you just keep your deck in your car, and it emulates your cd changer, but contains a removable 2.5" harddrive full of MP3's, I talked to them and they said it would eventually support Vorbis. The problem is, Vorbis is still in Beta, so no company will adopt it until it hits version 1.0. Plus, not many people are using it yet, so there really isn't much demand for it yet. I don't have any portable players, so I don't use MP3 if I don't have to. Hopefully people will realize it's better and start using it, but a big turnoff is the fact that it takes awhile to encode a song with it, when you can grab Xing's crappy encoder and burn one in about 10 seconds. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: andy at theasis.com [mailto:andy at theasis.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:46 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [TCLUG] ogg vorbis trading > > > > > >Such as royalty free encoding/decoding? I think that's a > good reason. > > > When was the last time you paid a royalty. > > > > > > > You're missing the point. > > I don't think he is, I think he's merely disagreeing on the point. > I also think that many people say they are motivated by one > thing (free > speech) while in fact they are really motivated by another > (free beer). > > > That's exactly the attitude that will make Ogg Vorbis fail. > And we all > > lose if it fails. It should be our responisibility to do as > much as we > > can to help Ogg and any other open standard succeed. > Come-on Ben, get > > with it. You're beginning to sound like a Microsoftie. Me, Me, Me. > > No, he's pointing out what motivates much of the market, and... > > > And if you would do a little research you'd figure out that a lot of > > apps do support Ogg, and many more will in the future. The more it's > > used, the faster it will be accepted as a standard. > > How many pieces of hardware? > as in car players, little flash-memory ones, PDAs with both MP3 and > Ogg decoders, etc? > > > Where would Linux be if everyone said "Give me some stuff that uses > > Linux and I'll switch"? > > What's realistic is to recognize that there's a balance between being > evangelistic and choosing what is practically usable. If you > have a strong > desire for a small device that plays digitized music, and can > hold as much > of it as possible, the only choice right now is mp3. If > that's important > to me, then sorry, I'm gonna fill my hard drives up with > mp3s, not Oggs > (or whatever). If in the meantime I can write and encourage mfrs to > support open formats, then I will, but I'm not inclined to do without > while I wait for it to happen. > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ > tclug-list mailing list > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >