Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem

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Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem
From: Eric F Crist <ecrist@ardent-hacker.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 19:48:35 -0500
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I can't give you exact figures, but I apy like $80 per for the 768k and then
the standard fee for ISP.  Then I pay another 20$/mo for the 8 IP routable
network.  (bwt: my network is 63.228.57.0-63.228.57.8)

On Tue, 03 Oct 2000, you wrote:
> How expensive is that?  USWest and some ISP internet is not known to be
> cheap above 256/640 K.
> 
> Tom Veldhouse
> veldy@veldy.net
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric F Crist" <ecrist@ardent-hacker.net>
> To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem
> 
> 
> > Wrong, I have a cron to renew everynight, wich tells the DHCP server that
> my
> > lease doesn't expire for another x weeks.  The server usually acknowledges
> this
> > and simply oks it, without argument.  Since I'm renewing everynight,
> there's no
> > reason that someone else would get my IP.  It's all water under the bridge
> now
> > anyway, since I have ADSL from UsWorst/Qwestionable at 768K with 8 IPs
> > (static).  Running servers with a routable network is a lot easier.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 03 Oct 2000, you wrote:
> > > No, if he tells the client to ask for a lease time of 3 weeks, the
> client
> > > sends that during the negotiation. The server can reject that lease time
> > > if it's too long with a NACK followed by another OFFER with a more
> > > plausible lease time.
> > >
> > > Maybe I mis-understood what he said though.  Did he just change the
> lease
> > > time in the file that dhcpcd writes with the state information?  That's
> > > bad.  Really bad.  If he changes the lease time there then the server
> > > doesn't know about it.  Then you're right, if he sets that to 3 weeks
> and
> > > the initial lease was for 2 weeks, then after 2 weeks the server will be
> > > expecting a renew that it will never get.  It'll assume the client's
> gone
> > > and put the IP back into the pool.  If a new subscriber came along they
> > > could snag up "his" IP legitimately.  Then after a week his client will
> > > try to renew the IP and the server will NACK it because it's already
> been
> > > leased.  Not to mention all the problems he'd have with IP conflicts.
> > >
> > > Adam Maloney
> > > Systems Administrator
> > > Sihope Communications
> > >
> > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > >
> > > > Right.  But if he changes the lease time to 3 weeks, but the server is
> > > > configured for 2 weeks, there may be a 1 week period where two
> different
> > > > computers share the same IP address, because somebody else has
> received the
> > > > IP address, and his computer will not ask to renew the old IP address
> for
> > > > another week yet.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Veldhouse
> > > > veldy@veldy.net
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Adam Maloney" <adamm@sihope.com>
> > > > To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:30 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well if his dhcp client sends a Renew request to the server, the
> server
> > > > > can reject it.  The dhcp client will then just ask for a new IP.  As
> long
> > > > > as he doesn't muck with the client (or bypass it altogether and just
> > > > > statically configure it) he can't cause any trouble.  The server can
> > > > > always reject renew requests if the address has already bgeen
> reassigned.
> > > > > I don't think there's anything he can do to the configuration of the
> > > > > client that could screw anything up, I think he'd have to modify the
> > > > > source.
> > > > >
> > > > > If the IP has already been leased to someone else, and his client
> asks for
> > > > > that IP (in a renew request) the server will send a NACK back, then
> an
> > > > > OFFER with a new IP.
> > > > >
> > > > > In any case, by changing the lease time you're probably not helping
> > > > > yourself at all.  As soon as the lease ends your client will send a
> renew
> > > > > request back to the server and you'll get your IP back anyways.  The
> lease
> > > > > time just dictates how long before you have to renew again, but if
> the
> > > > > server reboots you may be SOL.  I believe ISC's stores the lease
> > > > > information in /var somewhere so if the server restarts it'll know
> who has
> > > > > what leased...but I don't know about whatever DHCP server they're
> using.
> > > > > If it's Microsoft's it'll probably explode or something...
> > > > >
> > > > > Adam Maloney
> > > > > Systems Administrator
> > > > > Sihope Communications
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, and that somebody is going to be pissed if they find out
> that
> > > > somebdoy
> > > > > > is using their IP and causing them to have problems with there
> cable
> > > > modem.
> > > > > > Most users are not going to know what the problem is and they are
> simply
> > > > > > going to call MediaOne and complain.  If MediaOne then finds this,
> one
> > > > had
> > > > > > better watch out, because suddenly the support costs are larger
> than the
> > > > > > profits that they are making off of the trouble causing
> individual.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom Veldhouse
> > > > > > veldy@veldy.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Adam Maloney" <adamm@sihope.com>
> > > > > > To: <tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 9:17 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [TCLUG:21970] Should DSL or Cable modem
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well if they ran ISC's DHCPd they can set Max-Lease-Time, which
> is the
> > > > > > > maximum amount of time a given address will be leased for.
> That's not
> > > > to
> > > > > > > say that when the lease expires you won't renew and get it
> again, but
> > > > if
> > > > > > > you don't renew right away someone else will probably get it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Adam Maloney
> > > > > > > Systems Administrator
> > > > > > > Sihope Communications
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Eric F Crist wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Trust me, it works.  I've gotten calls from TW and MediaDumb
> (aka
> > > > ATT)
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > they've not been able to stop it, short of pulling the
> provision for
> > > > > > your MAC
> > > > > > > > address.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But, there are ways around that too.  =P
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thats *only* if the other end accepts such bad things.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > AFAIK, you can setup ISC to ignore it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > * Eric F Crist <ecrist@ardent-hacker.net> [001002 21:37]:
> > > > > > > > > > After a little more research (I had a brain-fart) the
> file, on a
> > > > > > freebsd =
> > > > > > > > > system
> > > > > > > > > > is /var/db/dhclient.leases
> > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > This file is realatively simple and straightfoward.  For
> > > > information
> > > > > > on y=
> > > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > > > box, type man dhclient.leases
> > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me.
> > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > Au Contrair on the static IP.  If you're into the computer
> > > > hacking
> > > > > > side of
> > > > > > > > > > things, you can simply change your lease on the IP to
> never
> > > > expire.
> > > > > > Ther=
> > > > > > > > > e's a
> > > > > > > > > > file located on your hard drive that actually sets your
> lease.
> > > > This
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > overwritten at the time of renewal by the DHCP server.  I
> have
> > > > done
> > > > > > this =
> > > > > > > > > myself
> > > > > > > > > > and know others who do it successfully.  Maybe not a legit
> > > > static
> > > > > > IP, but=
> > > > > > > > >  until
> > > > > > > > > > they find out, who cares?=20
> > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, you wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Disadvantages to cable modem (from my point of view)
> > > > > > > > > > > - no static IPs, may be coming soon though
> > > > > > > > > > > - no services on your machine, or you get booted
> > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > > Advantages to cable modem
> > > > > > > > > > > - much faster
> > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > > I got this information from the Time Warner sales rep
> and the
> > > > tech
> > > > > > rep =
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > showed up at my apartment complex trying to get
> subscribers.
> > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > > --=20
> > > > > > > > > > > Jon Schewe | http://eggplant.mtu.net/~jpschewe
> > > > > > > > > > > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither
> > > > angels=20
> > > > > > > > > > > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor
> any=20
> > > > > > > > > > > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in
> all=20
> > > > > > > > > > > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of
> God
> > > > that=20
> > > > > > > > > > > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
> > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > > >=20
> > > > > > > > > >
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