how do people have their rc5 (seti|ogr|whathaveyou) crackers running? do you start them as a service from the system init scripts (rc.local, etc)? or something started in an rxvt when you start X? (started from your .xinitrc) Carl Soderstrom System Administrator 307 Brighton Ave. Minnesota DHIA Buffalo, MN carls@agritech.com (612) 682-1091