For you older techie geeks, there is a really good article about Bill Joy in Fortune magazine. http://cgi.pathfinder.com/fortune/1999/02/15/bil.html -- Joseph A. Heil, Jr. DBA - Oracle, DB2, Posgresql, Msql heilja@dbsource.com http://www.dbsource.com voice: 612-445-5180 fax: 612-445-5196 Key fingerprint = 95 FC 3A F4 8A 10 05 85 3F 53 01 86 AD DB DB 51