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Re: (ASCEND) Lucent -=-> Ascend --> ? (fwd)

Once upon a time Barry Hemphill shaped the electrons to say...
>Ascend. To suggest the purchase was made because they liked 
>the PM4 better than the Max TNT is ridiculous - they may well 
>have, but a little matter of 6-12 billion dollars might have entered 
>into it as well.

Of course it did.  I also know that the fact that Livingston was using Lucent
HW entered into it.  And that Lucent was impressed with ComOS and what
Livingston was doing with the PM-4.  The Pm-3 was still rather new when
the ball started rolling, they were looking at the future.

>Incidentally, I seem to see you (do I refer to you as Megazone? 
>what does your mother call you?) post an an awful lot of very 

My mother calls me MegaZone most of the time now.  I'm variously called 
Zoner, MZ (em-zee), Mr. Z or Mr. Zone (a couple of folks at work), as well
as various and sundry expletives.

>negative comments on Ascend products, and you're clearly a 
>devout priest of the Church of Livingston, and it makes me wonder: 

You might be recent - I used to work for Livingston/Lucent RABU.  I figured
everyone knew that.  I work for GTEI/BBN now.  (And Xylogics before 
Livingston.)  And if you read long enough, and enough places, you'll see
that I'm not always negative on Ascend, and not always positive on Lucent.

I do honestly believe the Lucent product is better in both HW and SW.  It
does not have all of the bells and whistles Ascend does - and doesn't pretend
to.  But what it does have it generally does cleaner, faster, and with a
higher level of reliability.

I think the MAX 4000 and TNT are lame ducks frankly, but I think the MAX6000 
is a nice piece of HW.  It is what the 4000 should have been.  And I've been
hearing several good things about the TNT II - but maybe that's all bullshit 
as Matt implied.

I have a fairly solid history of calling things as I see them, which includes
contradicting my employers when I disagree.  I'm terrible at towing a party
line.  Many times I've recommended a competing vendor when I thought their
product better solved the customers needs.

>why are you on this list? Not to suggest in any way you can't hang 
>out here and say whatever you like, but it makes me curious if 
>you're an Ascend user yourself (as in the name and purpose of the 

GTEI's DiaLinx product line uses Ascend MAXen, I am involved with that 
product.

Aside from that I'm on every vendor list I know of because I like to keep on
top of things for my own good.  portmaster-users, ascend-users, usr-tc,
cisco-nsp, (I read comp.dcom.sys.cisco instead of the associated list), 
computone, bay-isp, annex, telebit, shiva, inet-access, iap, isp-services,
isp-equipment, cistron, radius-users, isp-radius, and others I'm sure I don't
recall offhand.

>list), or more of a rabble rouser? Nothing personal, but everyone 

Oh, I am a rabble rouser.  But this is nothing, you should see what I've
been doing to 3Com for shafting their Total Control users over on usr-tc.
I'm not one to be shy about stating my view of things, and I don't mind 
being told I'm wrong either.  I guess I like to shake things and see what
settles out, it generally leads to the best discussions.

>else here seems at least half ways familiar with your posts (at 
>least they don't seem to suprise anyone else), so I'm guessing I 
>must simply be in the dark.

Same reason Kevin is on portmaster-users, and other vendors cross-list.
Keep an eye on what everyone else is doing, and also see what is being said 
about your products in the 'enemy' camp.

-MZ
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