>Answer: You *do not* need such things. >C'mon ASCEND -- get this one right and quit hiding behind bullshit excuses. Karl, everything you've said is true when you are only interested in "what is my utilisation" and "should I place a new call to increase bandwidth" and this is likely how most ISDN TAs function... but, there IS one thing that DOES require some extra protocol to increase the number of channels... if router A calls router B, router B wants more bandwidth but is not permitted to call A, so router B tells router A to increase, router A places an additional call to router B and ignores the possibilities that utilisation limits may be set differently on each end, causing a loop something like router A places second call to router B, router B looks at utilisation and drops second channel after a few seconds, router A places second call to router B, [etc., etc.,] -Jim H ---- Jim Howard Sr Network Engineer Lyceum Internet jhoward@lyceum.com <A HREF="http://www.lyceum.com/">http://www.lyceum.com/</A> 404.248.1733 My PGP Public Key: <A HREF="http://www.lyceum.com/~jhoward/pgp-key.txt">http://www.lyceum.com/~jhoward/pgp-key.txt</A> Fingerprint: 7E8B E2BA 1314 2535 CB08 CFF9 119B 7CD3 2488 954D ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <<A HREF="http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq">http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq</A>> </PRE> <!--X-MsgBody-End--> <!--X-Follow-Ups--> <!--X-Follow-Ups-End--> <!--X-References--> <!--X-References-End--> <!--X-BotPNI--> <HR> <UL> <LI>Prev by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg09080.html">(ASCEND) NAT and static together?</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by Date: <STRONG><A HREF="msg09081.html">Re: (ASCEND) Re: Uptime? (fwd)</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Prev by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg08763.html">Re: (ASCEND) Inter operability & BACP,DBA,BOD et. al.</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Next by thread: <STRONG><A HREF="msg08730.html">(ASCEND) MAX Authentication with CHAP or PAP</A></STRONG> </LI> <LI>Index(es): <UL> <LI><A HREF="maillist.html#09079"><STRONG>Main</STRONG></A></LI> <LI><A HREF="thrd165.html#09079"><STRONG>Thread</STRONG></A></LI> </UL> </LI> </UL> <!--X-BotPNI-End--> <!--X-User-Footer--> <!--X-User-Footer-End--> </BODY> </HTML>